director and writer daniel reduces the threat the thriller was called imperium and it started daniel radcliffe as an f.b.i. agent who dives undercover in the world of neo nazis conservative talk show radio host and professional family band who also just happen to sympathize with the white suit. emesis by the way in case you're wondering the movie is not based in the confederate south but it's up there in the northeast of the country and it's as relevant today as when it came out 5 years ago thanks so much for being with us gentleman let me start out with you michael if if if you know i am you know read your book around 20072008 daniels movie came out in 2016 this is 2021 we saw this insurrection on january 6th and as part of the flavor of the moment white supremacists are out there i would ask you is it still a clear and present danger today what you investigated way back when it's sure it's been a persistent threat all along and you know now that the media and some government entities are starting to look at it it looks like it's increasing but this has always been there and when people ask m

but of the things that comes out in the film, daniel redgrave, -- daniel radcliffe if this individualas the knack and ability to be empathetic with those folks that want to create violence, want to create a race war. celebrating heller. my question to you, is what is it in you that has given you insights into thinking like a domestic terrorist, into thinking like these people. what is that bridge that many others of us do not understand? >> i think the experience that i had working with these people, who otherwise were normal and every kind of way, and ordinary, except that they saw themselves actively at war with american society, and were willing to engage in criminal conduct to further their advantage in the war. it made me realize that this was not some french on the border of our society. -- french on the border of our society. as an fbi agent, my job is to focus on people engaged in criminal activity to further their cause. but, far more of them -- there are former neo-nazis out there that neo-nazis will commit crime. i think that distinction is really important one that has bee