daniel schulman, we welcome you to democracy now! wrote this book. >> in 2010-2011 timeframe, you really started to see the koch brothers become demonized and villain eyes. they really became these cartoon villains behind the curtain of politics. they were a caricature. i started looking into their story a little bit. the one thing that first interested me was there are four koch brothers, not two. we always talk about charles and david koch but there are also frederick and bill koch. they have a phenomenally interesting political story, but their family story is just as fascinating to me. >> why don't you tell us in a nutshell that family story? >> ok. her father fred koch in the 1920's developed the process for refining oil. by firm into getting sued the major oil companies of the era and in order to find work, he ends up having a look for contracts overseas. that leads him to work in stalin's soviet union and the early 1930's, where his firm makes $5 million helping to modernize the soviet oil industry. when he returns home, he vo

daniel schulman author of the brand-new book "shonns of wichita" which hits bookshelves tomorrow.> "all in" joined by thomas frank to take a look at how kansas is becoming petri dish for cob conservative policy and including what sam brownback and what the republicans legislature have done in slashing funding for their kansas public education. >> kind of the heart of community, we're one of the largest employers in town and everyone participates at school but also participants in activities and groups in town so so it's all intermingled and just part of what makes a small town tick. >> it's hard -- it's hard to put in to words. it's just like you are losing part of your family. like part of your family is being torn away from you. so it's an extreme loss. it really is. >> a big adjustment for everyone go ing somewhere else and everything's new. >> we will bring you that report tomorrow. there's lots more about our reporting tonight and other stories from kansas on chris.com. we will bring you more amazing stories this week. you will not want to miss it. that's is "all in" for this

as daniel schulman exhaustively chronicles, this doesn't scratch the surface. joining their father's mid western oil and cattle empire, the brothers transnormed it into a $100 billion corporate behemoth that has everything from bohn in paper towels to dixie cups and he writes, a day doesn't pass when we don't encounter a koch product though we don't know it. but the koch's followed their father's footsteps in other ways. fred koch was a founding member of the radical right wing anti-communist john birch society. they did you want just adopt his ideas. over 40 years they built a group of think tanks, advocacy groups, political action committee and trade organizations, one that laid the groundwork for the tea party long before it had a name. joining me now is senior editor of mother jones and author of "sons of wichita" daniel shulman. before we get into this i have to reet the statement from koch industries. >> we've been aware of his book since 2012 and have had minimal participation. neither charles or david koch was interviewed for the book and we're in the p

believe in what they preach or are they just looking out for their own economic self-interest daniel schulman senior editor of mother jones magazine has the answers to this fascinating new book sons of wichita how the koch brothers became america's most powerful and private dynasty a must read for anyone who wants to know the real story behind the rise of the empire that some people call the kokoda puss and joins us now in the studio dan welcome thank you very much great to have you with us let's start out with the basics how did you get interested in the koch brothers you know in the two thousand and ten timeframe you start to see charles and david koch become these political villains behind the curtain of all sorts of conservative causes. and you know once i started to look into the into their family story a bit you see first that there are actually four koch brothers not two you only hear about charles and david koch but in fact they have an older brother frederick david has a fraternal twin bill so in addition to their fascinating political story and their fascinating business story they