then daniel serwer from the john hopkins center discusses what the u.s.opean leaders are calling for the removal

thank you karim mezran, daniel serwer and peter pham for a good discussion. we'll take a break for a couple of minutes. you can stretch and we'll bring the second panel up here promptly. thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> our live coverage from the atlantic council will continue after the break. when the discussion turns to implications of the libya rebellion on nato and the transatlantic community. participants include a former bush administration national security assistant and kurt developing volker former u.s. ambassador to nato. the "washington journal" talked to another ambassador from nato, nicolas burns about the situation in libya. we'll show you a short portion during this great. >> host: let me ask you for your sort of overarching thoughts about the role that nato took on in libya. >> guest: well, susan, as you remember, several months ago when the united nations security council gave a mandate to nato it was to protect civilians because gadhafi was threatening to overrun the major city of bin gazi. it was a real concern that libyan

. >> reporter: professor daniel serwer has met with the ntc.e says nonetheless they seem acutely aware of the need to establish the rule of law. >> from what we know, they want a democratic libya, an islamic state but a state that is clearly a multi-party state, that is clearly a liberal state. but it's certainly an experiment for libya, which has not had a state at all. >> reporter: the public face of the ntc is mahmoud jabril who taught at the university of pittsburgh and previously served in the regime. for months the obama administration was skeptical. but the group pledged to work for a transition to democracy. and july 15th, the u.s. recognized it as the legitimate governing authority in libya. that freed up gadhafi government assets frozen by the u.s. and other countries. tuesday the state department said it's working with the u.n. to release one to $1.5 billion of a total of $30 billion frozen by the u.s. >> the tnc has made a strong commitments to the united states with regard to the use of the money with regard to transparency, et cet

host: our guest is daniel serwer. you think about the current conditions in libya as far as gaddafi is concerned? guest: gaddafi looks like he is approaching the end of his days. the rebels have clearly taken territory and have been able to hold it. tripoli will be virtually isolated. the problem is taking tripoli by military force is really problematic. it is problematic because it is a large city. there will be a lot of supporters of gaddafi there. it is problematic because the regime still has deep roots, weapons hidden, the possibility of resistance movements even after gaddafi falls. it seems important that some arrangements be made. we can only gather from the press reporting that they're talks about getting gaddafi out of there. the key is that gaddafi and his whole family have to depart. it is hard to picture a transition that in any way involved that family at this point. the rebels are winning on the battlefield. if they hesitate before taking tripoli, we should understand there are good reasons for such hes

also daniel serwer, also a professor at seis and a scholar at the middle east institute.irector of the misme -- of the africa center here at the atlantic council. i'm going to start with you, karim. i would like to hear from you about your evaluation of how close are we to the end of a military conflict inside of libya, how important or not important is what happens to gaddafi himself, and whether he is apprehended, and finally, what are your thoughts on scenarios? where might libya be going from here? >> i wish i could tell you -- could take a couple of hours or a couple of days. hard to see when this will be over. i think we are at the end of it. to answer your question rapidly, it is essential that gaddafi is captured. or -- his troops are disbanded, seen in tripoli, what's happening is the defections of important parts of his troops has caused the easy entrance of the rebels into the city. the troops of general baroni, betrayed it right away. so in the city, loyalists of gaddafi got caught off guard. and started shooting. that's what you see, the confusion in -- is ha

host: our guest is daniel serwer. what do you think about the current conditions in libya as far as gaddafi is concerned? guest: gaddafi looks like he is approaching the end of his days. the rebels have clearly ten territory and have been able to hold it. tripoli will be virtually isolated. the problem is taking tripoli by military force is really problematic. it is problematic because it is a large city. there will be a lot of supporters of gaddafi there. it is problematic because the regime still has deep roots, weapons hidden, the possibility of resistance movements even after gaddafi falls. it seems important that some arrangements be made. we can only gather from the press reporting that they're talks about getting gaddafi out of there. the key is that gaddafi and his whole family have to depart. it is hard to picture a transition that in any way involved that family at this point. the rebels are winning on the battlefield. if they hesitate before taking tripoli, we should understand there are good reasons for su

daniel serwer discusses why leaders are calling for the removal of the sirian president.out the obama administration's decision to allow states to a -- apply for waivers for a key provision on proficiency in reading and math the >> it's a country fraught with corruption, natural disasters, and islamic extremists. >> what was really shobbing to me and many people in pakistan is that these assassinations were welcomed. were congratulated by many pakistanis. these are not terrorists, not al qaeda, not taliban, but ordinary pakistanis who feel that their religion is threatened, that, that the country is becoming too secular, that the islamic values are under attack and that blasphemy, which is anything that insults the prophet or islam, is something to be defended with your life. >> washington post correspondent pamela constable sunday night on "q.&.a.". >> now, republican presidential candidate and former new mexico governor gary johnson speaks at the national press club in washington. mr. johnson did not participate in the iowa straw poll and did not receive any votes. this

then daniel serwer talking about the call for the removal of the syrian president.then a look at the obama administration's plan to waive the math and reading proficiency division. sam dillon is our guest. we get underway at 7:00 p.m. -- 7:00 a.m. eastern. america's 911 foundation does a fund-raiser that takes participants by the crash sites. the foundation uses that money to provide scholarships to the children of firefighters and police officers and other first responders. this is a look at the writer traveling late this afternoon just outside of washington to wind up at the pentagon. [honking] thought>> more about the ride or span.org.at cp next, remembering those who died trying to the statement east germany between and 1989. this is 50 minutes. >> representatives of all the associations of the atoms, and dear friends and family members and relatives of all of those who died at the wall. ladies and gentlemen, i would like to welcome you here at the memorial for our cameras -- commemoration on the vacation of the anniversary core the wall which was built 50 years