. >> we've been speaking with professor daniel shapiro at west virginia university and his boat "is the welfare state justified?." thank you do .. >> >> this is a good space to be in. i have the incredible honor to visit the reagan ranch and to be among the things of his life. and it is just wonderful. it is a great energy that i get. that i got from that. too just come ensure that in the context of his legacy and certainly would it means for us going forward is a real honor. i appreciate the young america's foundation invited me here to be a part of this. we have spent a lot of time over the years working with the various groups that come into washington or visitor of the country with such important to work. i was struck before coming down nothing fancy come on the wall beyond america foundation committed to encouraging this year and american to the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, a free enterprise and traditional values. that is such a powerful servant -- statement and it is part of the underlying thinking that i try to capture in the book "right now." lot of p

[laughter] >> where you're at west virginia university speaking with professor daniel shapiro about is but, "is the welfae state justified?." so let's start at the end if he will. is the welfare state justified? >> probably not but i should explain a little bit about what i mean by that. first, what i mean by the welfare state. by the welfare state and mean programs like national health insurance, social security, social and syringe programs. and when i say probably not, what i do in the book is kind of interesting i think as i look at the values and principles of people who defend the welfare system. i take the reasons they give so i'm in philosophy at the temporary philosophy of various positions that supportive. i'll just say people appeal to fairness or are protecting the poor, inviting a sensitive opportunity. given their values if you compared those institutions with feasible more market-based opportunities the people supporting them support the alternatives. they come out looking either better or at least as good given their own values. >> so what are the essential principles or