and welcome back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with daniel sheehan constitutional trial attorney founder of the christic institute and author of the new book the people's advocate the life and legal history of america's most fearless public interest lawyer to get back to where we left off we were talking about how actually let me let me put this in a slightly larger frame because in your book you talk about these things richard first of all jack kennedy was killed and whoever did that apparently got away with it. then then we have this other turning point where richard nixon committed a number of crimes he got away with many but he didn't get away with all of news forced out of office so there and there was a lot of stuff that came out of that church committee and you know the laws of transparency it was a major turning point and then and then reagan bush reagan committed this crime to come into office committed what i would argue is treason to get office and was never prosecuted although you were involved in trying to prosecute him these are each kind of like cyclical f

but tonight's conversations with great minds i'm joined by constitutional trial attorney daniel sheehan daniel is one of the most influential public interest lawyers in the country worked on a number of cases including the pentagon papers case and the current karen silkwood case that have changed the course of american history in one nine hundred eighty he founded the christic institute where he served as general counsel and chief trial attorney general has also served as chief trial attorney for the american institute .

and welcome back to conversations with great minds i'm speaking with daniel sheehan constitutional trial attorney founder of the christic institute and author of the new book the people's advocate the life and legal history of america's most fearless public interest lawyer to get back to where we left off we were talking about how actually let me let me put this in a slightly larger frame because in your book you talk about these things richard first of all jack kennedy was killed and whoever did that apparently got away with it though you know then then we have this other turning point where richard nixon committed a number of crimes he got away with many but he didn't get away with all of news forced out of office so there and there was a lot of stuff that came out of that. church committee and you know the laws about transparency it was a major turning point and then and then bragg and bush reagan committed this crime to come into office committed what i would argue as treason to to get office and was never prosecuted although you were involved in trying to prosecute him these are eac