daniel snyder, redskins owner, still struggles to find formula for success. kind article about mr. zuckerberg in today's "wall street journal." joining us, mike wise, sports columnist at "the washington post" and jeff sonnenfeld from the yale school of management. i know neither of these guys. i'm not a facebook user but have been a redskins fan since i was 5 years old and would love nothing more for the redskins to win. the articles in the papers, mike, point today in the "journal" and in yours yesterday, point to the differences between these two guys, but if you look beneath the surface, they seem to be very, very similar types who have reacted differently. both young billionaires, both stubborn at times, both mercurial. mike, pick it up. >> i guess the big difference is i see more of an adapt to change to i guess modern times and thinking on mark zuckerberg's part than daniel snyder's. there's a great passage in the "wall street journal" article in which zuckerberg walks into the room after all these losses and the stock sliding and he looks at his facebo

i understand the argument daniel snyder and others who would defend the use of the name. i understand the arguments they have made and insist it is sort of rooted in the team legacy, the team's history and it's meant to be the most important argument sort of in their favor it is meant to be to honor the native peoples. but what i would say is there is no way that particular monicker can be used to honor native people bound up in the language of indian slaughters. you see it throughout the historical records. redskins never applied in the 19th century currently or benignly. it was a racial epithet right at dhaka risk that we could imagine today so i don't think there is any difference and i do think it is simply a matter of when and not if and the redskins would be wise to change the team name to do it sooner because there is only one way this can end up and i think this is a conversation we will probably engulf other teams as well rather offensive, cartoonish. the conversation has already been done, so i think this is probably it may be on the way out as it were. >> her h

this point with some friends who've asked me the same question, i understand the argument that daniel snyder and others who would defend the use of the name. i understand the arguments that have made him and insist it sort of rooted in the team legacy, the team's history. and it's meant to be, the most important argument, that they become its meant to be it honors native people. what i would say is there's just no way that particular moniker can be used to honor the native people. ucf throughout the historical records. redskin was never applied in the 19th century kindly, or benignly. it's a racial epithet right up there with the worst ones that we can imagine today. so there really is i don't think any defense for and i think it's a matter of when, not if you're the redskins would probably be wise to change the team name to do it soon. i think there's only one way this can end up. i think this is a conversation that will probably engulf other teams as well. rather, offensive cartoon, the cleveland indians. that conversation has already begun. i think this is probably, those may be on the wa

they have a tough owner daniel snyder. ballmer and bill gates and by the way they just spent about $7 billion on a feeling phone company called nokia. that is the ceo that could step in. i think he is in the drivers seat. neil: there might be something to what scott says. any personality will say, i have the freedom to do what i think needs to be done and those guys are staring over your shoulder anything okay. >> they are. the both of them came from inside. obviously we know where bill gates came from. i think scott is wrong on this one. i don't think it's a good choice at all. i think it was a failed entity and i think that microsoft, i think that they go back to the inside and i think tony bates is the guy spent time at cisco and skype and he will be the next one. and he was an aerospace guide and a marketing guru. neil: by the way, if it drags on, doesn't that hurt the stock? >> i don't really think that this can be hurt anymore than this already is. the market is buying into hopes for the microsoft stock. so i think t