he's meeting with daniel van pelt, the assembly man talking about bribes. >> then he starts talking about kidneys because daniel van pelt has a kidney problem, and he starts talking about his grandfather getting this kidney, and it gets this long song and dance in a diner one day about buying a kidney, but you can't mix the two cases because if you start going down this path, suddenly solomon comes face to face with dave essenbock, and it's not going to be pretty. [laughter] >> who else? here, and then up there. >> congratulations on this great book, you guys, it's fantastic. i'm curious, you are both writers. this this is different experience writing a book? what's the difference of one -- it's more than just a long story with a word count, but is there a different process writing a book opposed to writing for newspapers? >> it was for me, but bear in mind we started this process writing for a newspaper. a lot of what we were writing appeared in the newspaper as news stories, and as we -- as the narrative of that grew, we decided to write a book. it was a different type of writing. typic