he's meeting with daniel van pelt, the assemblyman, talking about bribes as david essenbach and. >> and then he starts talking about kidneys because daniel van pelt has a kidney problem. and he starts talking about his grandfather getting this kidney, and gets this long song and dance in a diner one day about buying a kidney. but you can't mix the two cases because if he actually started going down this path, suddenly, suddenly solomon dweck is going to come face to face with dave essenbach, and it's not going to be pretty. >> who else? here and then up there. >> congratulations on this great book, you guys, it's fantastic. i'm curious, you're both writers, you've written for newspapers, magazines, is this a different experience, writing a book? what's the difference -- what i'm getting at, it's more than just a long story with no word count, but is there a different process as opposed to the writing you have done for newspapers? >> it was for me, but bear in mind we started this process writing for a newspaper. a lot of what we were writing appeared in the newspaper as news stories. an