so he is meeting with daniel van pelt, the assembly meant, talking about brides and david esenbach. >> then he starts talking about kidneys because daniel van pelt had a kidney from. and he starts talking about his grandfather eating this kidney, and gives this long song and dance in a diner one bit about why kidney. but you can't mix the two kidneys because he started going down this path suddenly, suddenly solomon dwek will come face-to-face with david esenbach and it's not going to be pretty. >> who else? here and been up there. >> congratulations on this great book, it's fantastic. i'm curious coming are both writers to give rittenberg newspapers, magazines but is this a different experience writing a book? what i'm getting at, it's more than a long story with no workout but is there a different process? >> it was for me, but bear in mind we started this process writing for a newspaper. a lot of what we were riding the. in the newspaper as news stories. and as the narrative of that, we decide to write a book on it was a different type of writing. typical newspaper writing is, you