joining me now danielle belten, is back with me. also joined by alexa co, historian and author of "you never forget your first biography of george washington." alexis, i want to go really big picture here. i mean, what do you see as the connection between grappling with the history and the reality that our forefathers, so many of our forefathers were enslavers and this moment of reckoning we now find ourselves in. >> it's not just that so many of the founders were slave holders. it's that it defined their world view in many ways. when i talk about george washington and the things that he thought about on any given day, yes, he thought about the war when it was happening and he thought about the presidency when he was serving as the president for two terms, but he also thought of the hundreds of people who he enslaved at mount vernon who made his life possible, who enabled him to do all the things that he's being celebrated for today. and so, when we talk about there is no country without george washington, we have to talk about ther