he was in for daniel hale and for you and for a jeffrey sterling and so many other a whistle blowers and but that, that assigned case really got to him. and he spent so much time we had conversations. so once a week, i call him on his phone and say dad l squared here, speak up, so i speak up and act and we have, we just loved the conversations. we are serious guy, a very serious guy. we did have a sense of humor, and we have diesel, a lovely chat. but the assigned case, like i said, nobody was more zealous and fervent and eloquent. uh then, uh, daniel ellsberg on. i want to ask you about that quality time that you spent living with daniel ellsberg and with his family. this was during the period when dan was experiencing writer's block of all things in trying to complete his epic work on the history of nuclear weapons. tell us about that and about how he was able to break through and complete that book. well i 1st i'd say just spending 10 days with dan and patricia in their home that um was a life changing for me. and i was, uh, it was a week of my 56 birthday and dan is a very, very