yamiche alcindor, home secretary jeh johnson, danielle pletka and political reporter jonathan allen,or of the new book "lucky: how joe biden barely won the presidency." welcome all. yamiche, let me start with this. they got the covid relief bill. is this the beginning of a huge momentum of legislation, or are we going to look say, well, he got his one big one, but everything else has stalled? >> well, it is true that the bottom line is that president biden was able to push through and get and is about to get this $1.9 trillion covid relief bill, but it took so much. just look at joe manchin to see that he is someone telling you he wants to be the responsible middle, saying that he wants to be balanced. that's not the words that the democratic base wants to hear, especially when they think of bigger bills and more ambitious issues like immigration and infrastructure. this bill on covid is happening while one in three people in america know someone who died of covid, but senator barrasso is very clear that he's very open to saying that this was a mistake, still, and that republicans ar

. >> danielle pletka, this is the same strategy republicans picked in '09, right?get better. while there may be a debate, did it help boost the economy or not? if the economy is getting better, this bill will look good in the rear view mirror. are republicans risking something here? >> i don't think republicans are risking something. look, there's a question we don't want to answer, don't want to talk about. you mentioned the number 6 trillion. not 6 billion, 60 billion. $6 trillion has been spent on this. when we say the economy is going to get better, what we're going to be doing is digging ourselves out of a hole. the real question for i think a lot of people in the united states is how in the end are we going to pay for this. it's not going to be easy. congress doesn't want to seem to want to take on that question at all. >> it's a fair point. i think there's even some philosophical splits now on the right on some of this spending stuff. jeh johnson, there's going to be a heated debate amongst democrats about getting rid of this filibuster or going different re

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