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i'm not danny. what i'm telling you is they told have objected to the time that's not the law because it's clearly not what the jury will get -- >> you have all argued at one time or another that a defense -- that a person on the stand was relatable. i mean, sunny, you've argued for trayvon martin's mom that as a mother, she's relatable to everybody on the jury because they are -- they are moms. >> sunny. >> isn't relatability something -- >> but i certainly didn't say someone isn't relatable because she can't read cursive. i think that's code for these women -- >> it's code to you, sunny. it's code to you. >> someone like rachel january tell. >> sunny, you're bringing your own things to the table. code to you. >> that's not true. i understood her very well. >> i just want to play this -- >> sunny, you have been bringing your own stuff to the table in this case and you know it. >> not true. >> true -- >> let's move on -- >> all of you -- >> all right. you guys can talk about this later. let's -- i d

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he got to testify as danny said, without cross-examination. the cops have come in and essentially eviscerated the prosecutor and you're at a point, you know, the emperor has no clothes. >> let's just save the tape. save the tape. >> this case is dead. the case is dead. >> save the tape. >> we've got to take a break. we'll get to more of that coming up. we'll play a fuller portion of george zimmerman's taped interview with police that jurors heard today. you can decide for yourself what to make of it. we'll also talk more about the notion that some elements of the prosecution's case so far seem almost like gifts to the defense. we'll be right back. estigate it. ...prosecute it... and stop criminals. our senior medicare patrol volunteers... are teaching seniors across the country... ...to stop, spot, and report fraud. you can help. guard your medicare card. don't give out your card number over the phone. call to report any suspected fraud. we're cracking down on medicare fraud. let's make medicare stronger for all of us. >>> george zimmerman may

>> danny? >> those mandatory minimums are bad news for george zimmerman and this jury doesn't get to know that. if they split the baby, if they use solomon wisdom and give him a lesser charge, that ain't going to work for zimmerman. he's got to avoid that. mark o'hara has that in his mind tonight and he's going to hammer home self-defense. >> i was amazed in the state of florida just for showing a gun is automatic ten years. sunny, what does the defense have to do tomorrow? >> listen, they've got to change the narrative that this jury went to sleep with. the jury went to sleep with what the prosecutor said today. so they have to change the focus and the narrative to self-defense. i think that's going to be a difficult thing to do, but that is what they need to do. >> mark? >> remember, because they're the defense, this is their only time to argue. so not only do they have to go through and lay out self-defense, and lay out how self-defense negates the two counts that he's facing, but they have

sunny hostin, jeff toobin, danny cevallos.zona is mourning the death of an elite squad of men trapped in an inferno. what led to the tragedy in a moment. we know it's your videoconference of the day. hi! hi, buddy! that's why the free wifi and hot breakfast are something to smile about. book a great getaway now and feel the hamptonality this is what matters. the experience of a product. how will it make someone feel? will it make life better? does it deserve to exist? we spend a lot of time on a few great things. until every idea we touch enhances each life it touches. you may rarely look at it. but you'll always feel it. this is our signature. and it means everything. >> let's get caught up on some of the other stories we're following. >> anderson, the governor of arizona calls the loss of 19 firefighters unbearable. the men were part of an elite squad battling a giant wildfire northwest of phoenix when they were killed on sunday. many they were trapped by flames which were fanned by shifting winds. >> oh, my goodness. he wan

i'm not danny.hat i'm telling you is they told have objected to the time that's not the law because it's clearly not what the jury will get -- >> you have all argued at one time or another that a defense -- that a person on the stand was relatable. i mean, sunny, you've argued for trayvon martin's mom that as a mother, she's relatable to everybody on the jury because they are -- they are moms. >> sunny. >> isn't relatability something -- >> but i certainly didn't say someone isn't relatable because she can't read cursive. i think that's code for these women -- >> it's code to you, sunny. it's code to you. >> someone like rachel january tell. >> sunny, you're bringing your own things to the table. code to you. >> that's not true. i understood her very well. >> i just want to play this -- >> sunny, you have been bringing your own stuff to the table in this case and you know it. >> not true. >> true -- >> let's move on -- >> all of you -- >> all right. you guys can talk about this later. let's -- i do

danny savalos and mark geragos. sunny, the argument was fascinating.went close to like five hours in court today. there's no other point of contention that's lasted this long. where are both sides so dug in on this? >> this is a movie about the defense's theory of the case. of course they want it in, anderson. juries love animation. they love demonstrations. this would be a bonanza for the defense. but this isn't coming in. this is a criminal trial, the standard is very high for this type of evidence to come in. i mean, this is not a movie. this is not "avatar." the judge doesn't care that this type of suit was used in hollywood. this is seminole county. this is sanford, florida. this is not going to happen. i was in the courtroom watching it. it was like watching a movie. but this is not coming in. >> danny, it's only as good as the data points used to make it. and those are all in dispute. >> exactly. the technology is fascinating. the cgi element of it, relating it to "ironman," these are similar movies but it's only as good as the data you feed int

. >>> here with us today, criminal defense attorney danny savalos, along with david weinstein, and in sanford, cnn legal correspond jean casarez who has been in the courtroom watching every minute. they are in sidebar right now, so let's -- david, i never thought he would take the stand. i don't understand why they kept leaving it out there teasing us that it was a possibility. do you think this was a tactic by the defense team to throw off prosecutors? >> in part it was. >> there's no reason for him to take the stand, but you never can tell when something might happen, maybe the last witness on the stand. that's when you finally make your final decision and you know what? judge, i'm not going to testify. it puts the prosecution a bit off-guard. they don't know exactly when they're going to start. if you catch them off-guard, you might pick up an advantage as well. >> as you say, there's no reason he would need to testify. we've already had his videotaped testimony, aired before the jury, audiotape, we've seen him recreate it, so he's basically got all the benefits of it. jean ka sarz

on the defense table, danny savalos and mark geragos. mark has co-authored of "mistrial" inside work of how the court system works and sometimes doesn't. and dr. lawrence kobalanski is here. mark, some dramatic moments just in the last couple of minutes. the defense vehemently saying that the prosecution, that the state, has basically lied and hid evidence from them, not given over evidence that they had in a timely manner. >> well, this has been their complaint all along. one of the reasons that mark o'mara was talking about that don west was so upset early on and had done the knock knock joke and everything else, they are bitterly complaining that the prosecution has been playing hide the ball all along, that they had what's called a brady obligation to turn over evidence. and i think it's boiled over as you get -- and i've had judges towards the end of the trial, judges want to get that trial moving. they see the light at the end of the tunnel. if they can get this argued and to the jury by friday afternoon, that is what she wants to

danny, your assessment? >> sunny has her mcdreamy. to me, o'mara is mcawesome. i thought the prosecutors did a good job. their style was a little more fiery. what i admire is somebody who can -- as an attorney who tries cases, i see someone do that measured calm way of delivering a closing summation after he's lived this case for so long. it's hard to keep emotion out of it. i admire someone who methodically goes through the case and challenges every piece of the prosecution's evidence. i thought it was a terrific closing. >> it was such an extraordinary contrast to the prosecutors, just on volume of voice alone. yesterday, it was so much yelling in that courtroom. today, i don't think o'mara even raised his voice at any point. i think to a fault. i thought he was almost too sedate. but it was a conversational discussion of the evidence. >> which works better? one makes the jury lean forward and listen. the other can risk alienating a jury. >> what you learn is you have to be yourself. people's personalities are what they are, and you can't fake it. there are go

danny and faith are still with me. kans danny, you're a defense attorney. i am sure you were watching in awe as he was trying to argue to the court if the defense theory is that george zimmerman was undergoing a ground and pound how possibly could there be a charge of child abuse when in fact their defendant was the one being abused. the statute does allow for this, doesn't it? >> yeah. i am watching not so much with awe but so much sympathy for the defense counsel, the idea that going through all of this preparation in this trial and all of a sudden having to defend on what is really a very different charge. now, most murder exists in a continuum. if you kill somebody, we look at your intent, from i meant to do it right on down to, oops, i wasn't paying attention. felony murder exists in another realm. it is an unintentional killing. no killing was intended. however, because you chose to participate in one of the enumerated other felonies, burglary, arson, rape, robbery, kidnapping, any of those felonies our society says, well, if you're so dumb as to part

danny savalos and mark geragos. danny, let's start with you this time. that lesser charge that they wanted to suddenly bring in, that the prosecution sprung that don west literally said "oh, my god" about, did that stun you? >> i think it surprised everybody. it's one of those examples that is brilliant tactically by the prosecution, but it could be viewed as kind of dirty pool. here's why. felony murder is like a legal fiction. it's a policy crime, because all of our other forms of murders are on a continuum. they go from i meant to kill him, down to oopsy daisy. which is a negligent homicide. felony murder is an accidental killing that occurs during a dangerous felony like armed burglary, rape, murder. the problem here is that the prosecution technically they gave them notice under the facts a child was killed. but no one ever talked about felony murder. the felony here would be child abuse. i think that's a stretch. i think everybody was shocked and i had so much sympathy for don west. it's like when you wake up and you have that dream where you woke

let me start with you, danny. during the commercial break you were talking about how the roles are reversed here talking about the marijuana in trayvon's system. >> the traditional roles are inverted. if this was a dui case, you better believe the prosecution, their position is always any amount of marijuana, for example in pennsylvania, you're driving automatically at the highest intoxication, you try making that i only had a teensy bit of marijuana, they're not listening. now it's the operation saying wait a minute, and it's true, just having a presence of thc in your system. if you have alcohol in your system, you are on some level intoxicated. if you had thc, that just means you are exposed to it or whatever you want to say. you had maureen in the last three, four, five days, but doesn't necessarily mean you're intoxicated in that moment of time. >> sunny, supporters of trayvon martin and his family and supporters say, look, this is a back door way of trying to slander trayvon martin or suggest something about

sunny hostin, marcia clark, danny savalos and mark geragos.e chances are that the jury will be instructed in an opt for lesser charges? >> i think there's no question the jury will be charged on second murder and manslaughter. that's a lesser included offense. the way i read the statute, it has to be done. and i suspect that the government is going to request it. there's evidence to support manslaughter. this jury will have a choice of what to convict george zimmerman on, if they're going to convict him at all. >> and that's how it goes, it's up to the jury, they can go for second degree murder or manslaughter. >> exactly. it's very, very common. manslaughter is what is called a lesser included offense within second degree murder and it's a very rare case when the manslaughter instruction is not given when you have a murder charge like this and the jury makes the call. >> but you think that in the summation by the prosecution that once they're allowed to give their version of events and tie all the pieces together, you think they may still be

legal analyst and former prosecutor sunny hostin and jeffy toobin, danny savalos and mark geragos. he said he'd eat his hat if zimmerman took the stand. you do not have to eat your hat because he did not take the stand. i didn't see you putting any money on this, mark. are you as sure as you claim to be? >> i tried to put out there. i said 50-1 odds. i gave 100-1 odds. wouldn't take either of them. >> how significant, mark, do you think it was, the prosecution brought out the dummy to exhibit. they essentially seemed to change their story. they seemed to kind of acknowledge, okay, well, they came up with an alternate theory in case that the jury did in fact believe that trayvon martin was the one on top. that's not what they were arguing when they started this trial. >> no, in fact, mcdreamy, the prosecutor as my friend sunny calls him, was the one who argued beforehand that he was on top. now mcdreamy has got trayvon on top, and the problem with this is, when you're talking about two different theories, and if they are both reasonable, they don't have to be equally reasonable, but

danny has a new doctor now. >> alexis: what? who? >> sam: silas clay. >> ava: excuse me. doctor?'m looking for my daughter. she's here somewhere, and she's having some te-- silas. >> silas: hello, ava. >> morgan: perfect. oh, kiki, this is guaranteed to take your mind off my brother. i mean, she'd better. i'm spending enough of her mom's money to make her happy. >> franco: i'm all for kiki being happy, but... what makes you think her affection can be bought? >> michael: don't tell me about your dreams, okay? i don't want to hear them. we have to stop running into each other. >> kiki: but that's my point. michael, we keep trying to avoid each other, and it doesn't work. >> michael: well, we hav

they get scared to get up to use the bathroom at night. >> reporter: danny was going to school at san jose city college. michelle wishes she had a chance to say goodbye. >> i would have liked to have been there while he was still alive. you want to be there to let them know that you're there whether they know or not. >> reporter: michelle and danny jr. have two other kids, two older, one 16 and the other 16, as well. they were not at home at the time of this interview. we talked to san jose police and they say this is a tough case with no suspect and the family is hoping more awareness will nudge this case forward. george kiriyama, nbc bay area news. >>> happening now, the hawaiian islands are being hit by a tropical depression. tonight, flights have been cancelled from the bay area to hawaii. here's a live look now in kawaii, where it's just after 8 p.m., dropping up to six inches of rain. it brings back memories of a 1992 hurricane which severely damaged kawaii. tonight, getting to hawaii is not easy. five flights to the islands out of sfo and one from san jose have been canceled to

deputy marsha clark and criminal defense attorney danny and mark c garagos.s for a lesser charge? >> there is no question the jury will be charged on second degree and -- second degree murpder and manslaughter. i mean, that's a lesser included offense and the way i read the statute, it has to be done and i suspect that the government is going to request it. there is evidence to support manslaughter. so this jury will have a choice of what to convict george zimmerman on. if they convict him at all. >> marsha, that's how it goes. it's up to the jury. they can go for second-degree murder or manslaughter. it's not one or the other? >> exactly. anderson, it's very, very common. i mean, manslaughter is what's called a lesser included offense within second-degree murder and a rare case when the manslaughter instruction is not give when you have a murder charge like this and the jury makes the call. >> marsha, you think that in the summation by the prosecution, that once they are allowed to give their version of vents and kind of tie all the pieces together, you thin

so while it's equally tenable -- >> this is what i don't understand, danny. and i get that. if they're trying to prove that this is not what happened, then why have they now gone through, i believe, the fourth witness where they basically demonstrated with trayvon martin on top and they're now come up with the theory that he's going back like this as opposed to coming forward, if that's what they're trying to do, save the tape. >> absolutely. what they're using is the makes no sense argument. if he's standing here and the leg is here, it makes no sense the way george zimmerman tells it. i think they're hoping the jury might go back into the jury room and shut the door and say well, george zimmerman's version isn't credible. therefore, disbelieve self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. look, it's a good bit of improv by a terrific prosecution team with what i think everyone would agree are some very difficult facts for the prosecution. they're doing a terrific job with what they have. >> the fact that the prosecution has asked for manslaughter and aggravated assault to be add

danny cevallos and mark geragos are all here. we heard from the medical examiner, saying that zimmerman's wounds were not significant. do you agree? >> i don't. first of all, you can bet on the fact that the defense will have a medical examiner that will contradict everything that we heard today. yes, these wounds appear to be superficial. that does not mean that george zimmerman was not in fear for his life. and further more, although wounds can appear to be superficial, there can be a great deal of serious, underlying trauma. for example, subdural hematoma can result in death. >> so somebody can have their head slammed repeatedly on concrete and only have that little laceration in the back? >> yes. >> zimmerman said several times he was slammed repeatedly. on the crete. i want to listen to more of what the medical examiner said today. >> dr. rao, using your definition of slamming, your common understanding of slamming, are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent with having been repeatedly slammed into a con

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i want to ask you both, danny and faith. do you think the verdict was accurate? danny? >> yes. it was not guilty from the beginning. it was not guilty throughout the trial. and i am not surprised by the verdict. although i admit the last few minutes before the verdict comes out everyone always has their doubts. me included. >> you too. you say you always do that. how about you, faith? do you think they got it right? >> no. i don't think justice was served in this case. i really don't. when you look at the facts that never change, that this 17-year-old was walking home. and so what if there was a struggle? so what if he fought back if someone was following him with a gun? george zimmerman made the ultimate decision to take his life. and i just don't think that it was an accurate verdict here and there was not justice. >> well, and i'll add to this, two families forever changed. danny cevallos and faith jenkins, i want to thank you both for joining us today. we appreciate it. >>> the american soldier who first turned over secrets to wikileaks is being court-martialed. bradley man

congressman danny davis was there and we went a little bit off.we got into gangs, ex-offenders, a lot of stuff. so we think we covered it all. that would talk about gangs we say why our young black kids involved in gang activities? that's the why question. why are they involved? out of everything that was said in this session, one young man got up in the back, one of the youth, and he said it's not that we want to do it, we don't have anything to do. you talk about us hanging on the corner as you close the committee centers. so where do you want us to go? we don't have anyplace to go. [applause] so we congregate on the corners, and they are closing the schools as well. and as a young man was talking i was sitting there as an educator, looking back, we talked about the prison pipeline and we talk about gangs, where do they start. they are looking our children in the third grade. so much of the fourth grade but it's really the third grade. if our children can't read or write, our children cannot read or write based on how much they're going to spend

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it will be very interesting to swl see what the prosecutor does. >> danny, bernie is no joke. he's phenomenal. i've seen direct examine flags where i thought he's finished. what could you say to that and he comes out with masterful cross-examination. i'm not going to say you're going to guess, but go ahead and guess. ma can he say to this? >> he's going to have to attack some of the foundation for his conclusions. that's the best i is surmise. no expert is infallible. there has to be something he said inconsistent or something they'll try to exploit. remember, it illustrates an interesting thing. the prosecutor is stuck with whoever their m.e. is employed by the state. if the defense can go out and shop around for the best money can buy and it looks like they got bang for their buck in this instance. >> yeah. here is my guess. you're going to be hear, you weren't the m.e., were you? you weren't there doing the examine nation of zimmerman's head that night. all you had to go on were the photos and other people's reports. it happens in a lot of cases as well. you get experts up

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danny, let's bring you in here and talk about this. it's been very emotional. looks like they're going to get back under way now. if they do we're going to listen in. danny, go back to court. >> final arguments have been concluded i'll instruct you on the law applicable. you may proceed. >> listen to the judge when you get this law. a nonreasonable doubt, something that's not reasonable but not influence you to return a verdict of not guilty. let me address one more thing before i close. it was brought up by the defense. it was brought up by the defense in their summation this morning and brought up by the defense in the trial. not by the state but by the defense. race. this case is not about race. it's about right and wrong. it's that simple. let me suggest to you how you know that for sure. ask yourselves, all things being equal, if the roles were reversed and it was 28-year-old george zimmerman walking home in the rain with a hoodie onto protect himself from the rain walking through that neighborhood and a 17-year-old driving around in a car who called the p

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danny is the associate director for the serial neeb breet program for the city of san diego. and san francisco chief of police. gary is a psychiatrist and laura's law advocate and eduardo vega of the mental health association of san francisco. let me start by opposing a question to karen chen from the public defenders office. karen, can you -- how about if you start by giving us an overview of how the city handles this conflict between treatment and civil liberties. >> an involuntary hold starts in san francisco when a peace officer or a clinician makes the determination that the person is due to a mental disorder, is a danger to others or danger to self or gravely disabled. gravely disabled means that person does not have the ability to provide for basic needs such as food, clothing and shelter. and the legal representation starts in most cases the first 3 days of the involuntary hold during the initial psychiatric evaluation and then the legal representation also continues with if the person is asked to be stayed or referred for further treatment up to 14 days. during this