. >> i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos and civil rights attorney charles coleman. danny let's start with you, if closing arguments are any indication, the jury is likely focusing on the whole idea of whether or not this was a citizens arrest, a legitimate citizens arrest. it's complicated in georgia law, explain what they had to face in going into that jury room, what they might be talking about now. >> georgia citizens arrest law, which has since been repealed since this incident dates back to the 1860s through a time when there were no police close by and often the citizens were the police. so it essentially allowed a citizen who believed they had probable cause of a felony to chase someone down, lay hands on him, and detain that person until the police arrive. these are antiquated statutes. it's not a good idea to go out and perform a citizens arrest in my opinion, but that's the statute that the defendants had available to them at the time of this incident. so that is the entire thrust of not only the defense, but the prosecution's efforts in defeating that cit

but the judge said he would not blatantly exclude members of the public any way >>> back to danny cevallos now danny testified he never asked mcmike toll protect his property, but he did give permission to another neighbor to intervene if anybody was spotted. does that help or hurt the prosecution's case >> it's a mixed bag. unlike in the rittenhouse case, unlike prosecutors taking evidence, that's good and bad for them and getting it out there in the open so it looks like they're not hiding anything. on the one hand, this evidence tends to show there was somebody apparently going into the house. but on the other hand, it tends to show that, hey, this is why these folks were all so amped up and worried about somebody burglarizing the neighborhood. and that's why they maybe overreacted to somebody jogging in the neighborhood. so a mixed bag, and the prosecution did a good job of dealing with it on direct in their case in chief. >> danny cevallos, thank you >>> another person has died from injuries sustained at the astroworld festival in houston 22-year-old college senior barthi shahani she

she's denied all of them nbc news legal analyst, danny cevallos is with us. y selection, danny? >> reporter: we are in federal court for ghislaine maxwell's jury selection and in federal courts, it's the court -- the judge who normally handles most of the jury selection. it's not like new york state where the attorneys are heavily involved we will see the -- the court looking for people, not necessarily who have just heard about jeffrey epstein or ghislaine maxwell's charges. but they'll also be looking for people, specifically who have heard about it but can still render a fair and just verdict that's really the standard because it's impossible to find someone who hasn't heard about jeffrey epstein or ghislaine maxwell for that reason. >> yeah. with jeffrey epstein, though, certainly, a much bigger name. is that going to make seating a jury something that's going to be long and arduous process and fraught with peril >> yes look for the court to go through about 50 jurors, a day and you are going to see a lot of people that are going to be dismissed for cause,

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>> i don't know whether he has legal counsel and i leave this to danny cevallos who is just barely at hard-core, hard reality legal analysis. you cannot use this as a precedent for attempting to violate the 14th amendment to the constitution. an act of sedition, right, entering and unlawfully entering a building, this are creating of u.s. federal government property. there are a whole mess of other laws which will be apply to this individual. but by saying you went self-defense against antifa. antifa is just a series of words. it is not an organization. it is not a terrorist group. no matter how much you wish. that so, as hard as he tries, there is other more compelling evidence that the fbi has collected on most of these individuals. the most important one's, their cellphone data showing their precise location within one foot of where they were on that day. >> all right, going to leave it. there danny cevallos and malcolm nance, thank you very much. >> that is, take a compliment and running. >> yeah, it was. going >> that is -- i'm so excited. i get we everyone up here. home >> is be

joining us here on set, nbc legal analyst danny cevallos.th that case, the arbery case. tensions have been really high. this is a trial that's been watched around the nation, especially coming on the heels of the rittenhouse case. what do you expect from developments today? >> closing arguments, the defense is the underdog in that they have to make the case somehow that even after they got in their cars, their trucks, they chased ahmaud arbery. they had plenty of chances to turn off their pursuit. they still have to make the argument somehow to convince this jury they were acting in self-defense. it's a tough sell for the defense. look for the prosecution to hammer this home. all the opportunities these defendants had to change their mind and do something else, anything else. >> remind the viewers of the specific charges the men face. >> they face homicide murder charges. these are the most serious kinds of charges. and they are asserting self-defense, which is an affirmative defense where you say, in addition there are these facts that exon

how powerful is this kind of testimony, danny cevallos that we're getting from gaige grosskreutz?werful, because you know, we already have a lot of video of what happened. now you have a person narrating it, walking through the experience and making it real for the jury, but don't be fooled. gaige grosskreutz has a lot of problems for this prosecution which is why you see them trying to diffuse the bombs on direct. they elicit right away that yes, he had a fire arm and yes, the permit was expired and yes, he did chase after the defendant with a firearm. look for the defense to rip into this witness on cross examination and really exploit those facts. but the prosecution by bringing it out in their direct examination is essentially saying we have nothing to hide. the defense, you can do what you will here. but this is going to be -- there's going to be a lot of cross examination by the defense. make no mistake about it. >> this is a problem witness in your viewpoint, but danny, to the larger point here, the defense is trying to make, the defense is essentially arguing that kyle rit

also with me is danny cevallos, criminal defense attorney and an nbc news legal analyst.we expect from the trial today? >> reporter: more testimony from police officers, jose. what's important is that these are officer who is interviewed the defendants at the scene of the crime of the fatal encounter and they are -- the prosecution is trying to get on the record what they said to the officers, because it's unlikely that the defendants will testify. and the police are essentially serving as witnesses for the prosecution, because they're literally reading from the transcripts of body camera interviews that they did. their body cameras were rolling the whole time and capturing not just a crime scene, but interviews they did with the defendants. today, for example, we heard from an officer who interviewed greg michael, one of the defendants. and the defendants insist that they were trying to execute a citizen's arrest. that they acted in self-defense, that they were trying to catch a fleeing robber, they say. and the prosecution argues against that. so here's how a prosecutor

and danny cevallos is back with us as well.l, remember, william brian is the resident who filmed the encounter. he joined the chase and n -- in his pickup truck and videotaped the encounter between the other defendants and ahmaud arbery. and his lawyer has throughout the trial been trying to separate his case from the others saying he was essentially just a witness who saw all this and didn't participate in much of what was going on, they say. he is still charged with murder, because under georgia law they are essentially saying that all these three men worked together and cooperated together to cause the death of ahmaud arbery. we heard from bryan as he was trying to convince the judge that he was not getting a fair trial because of the conditions of his confinement for the past 18 months at the detention center. we have some of what he said and how ahmaud arbery's mother reacted to that. take a listen. >> you're telling the court you've basically been in lockdown or solitary confinement for the entire time you've been incarce

in kenosha, civil rights attorney and former prosecutor crystal given, and msnbc contributor danny cevallos. it's uncommon for a defendant to testify, this is a self-defense case. he broke down in tears after being fairly composed. what do you think the jury's take might be? >> first, oftentimes the defense rests without introducing any evidence. that being said, in this particular case, because it's self-defense, this is one of those cases where it might be a time to have your client called to the stand, because he may be the only one that can articulate what he feared at the moment that he fired those shots. so it's a really tough decision. and i guarantee you that the defense team really wasn't 100% sure until today, until the day they decided to call him. it's always a last-minute decision. but that doesn't mean that you don't prepare your client. and kyle rittenhouse is prepared. he's doing all the things that a witness is supposed to do. he's calling the people he shot mister so and on, showing them some respect. he's not getting derailed by the prosecutor's questions. when the prosec

. >>> back to danny cevallos he never asked the mcmichaels to protect the property he did give permission to another neighbor does that kind of testimony help or hurt? >> it's a mixed bag. unlike in the rittenhouse case, this is an example taking evidence that's good and bad for them and getting it out there in the open so it looks like they're not hiding anything. on the one hand this evidence tends to show that there was somebody apparently going into the house but on the other hand it tends to show that, hey, these -- this is why these folks were also amped up and worried about somebody burglarizing the neighborhood and that's why they maybe overreacted to somebody jogging in the neighborhood. a mixed bag and did a good job dealing with it on direct and their case in chief. >>> another person has died from injuries sustained at the astroworld festival. 22-year-old college senior her name, bardi shahani. she's the ninth person to die after hundreds were hurt in a crowd surge as the rapper travis scott took the stage the lawyer for shahani's family said she died last night her parents de

and i'm also joined by danny cevallos. gabe, we'll start with you on the ground. the judge says this thing could end tomorrow. take us through what we expect to hear before the trial ends. but also when the judge could make a decision on that request for a mistrial with prejudice. >> well, craig, as you mentioned, several developments. we do not know when the judge might rule on that motion for a mistrial with prejudice. but today's testimony actually began with a nod toward veteran's day. the judge saying aloud in court if anyone was a veteran, no one raised their hand except for the defense's first witness, dr. john black, a use of force expert, and right now he is testifying about video in this case, offering an analysis. a detailed analysis of video in this case, and whether kyle rittenhouse fired in self-defense. his testimony is expected to continue for some time. then we expect to hear from these two other defense witnesses. craig, as you mentioned, a bit of a surprise this morning. before the jury was in the room, the judge updated the timeline. he said wh

joining me, danny cevallos, good to see you. you are the guy i turn to to understand these things. you tweeted about something liz said. if you are a defendant and you claim that you acted in self defense, here's what you said. the jury doesn't have to believe that rosenbaum was attacking rittenhouse. the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that rosenbaum was not attacking rittenhouse. i don't know that nonlegal people understand, if i claim self defense, you as a prosecutor have to prove that i was not acting in self defense. >> exactly. once there's any evidence in wisconsin in self defense, the burden is on the prosecution to disprove self defense. they can do it by attacking any of the elements of self defense, defeating any of them will prevail for the prosecution. for example, had they proven the attack was not imminent, if joseph rosenbaum said i'm going to kill you next tuesday, that's not imminent attack. if they prove use of force was not proportional to force directed to rittenhouse, there was an area for contention. there are a lot of folks that believe person wi

. >> danny cevallos, rina shah, and jonathan kott, thank you so much for these developments. we really appreciate it. >>> we expect a ruling on kyle rittenhouse today, a and what the judge decides could have a big impact on what could happen to the 18-year-old charged with murder. >>> and speaking of that judge -- >> i heard nothing in this trial to change any of my rulings, so why -- >> that was before the testimony, your honor. >> pardon me? >> that was before the testimony. >> don't get braise within me. >> we want to take a look deeper into his explosive reaction to the prosecution. >>> and a little later in the hour like something out of a dystopian novel, some members of a virginia school board are calling for book burning. not book banning, burning. we're going to look at the republican push to censure books they consider sexually explicit. you're watching "msnbc reports." ♪♪ (calls dog) buttercup... (whines) ♪♪ ♪ ohh ohh ♪ ♪♪ things you start when you're 45. ♪♪ coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screenin

also with me danny cevallos, a criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. let me start with you. let's just talk about what we heard there in that rebuttal. i want to play -- i could contend this was essentially the thesis of the rebuttal that started before 9:00 a.m. this is just a slice of it. this is the rebuttal to the defense by the prosecution talks about lawful citizen's arrest. >> wanting to question the victim demonstrates their uncertainty on what he had done that day and wanting to question the victim demonstrates a lack of immediate knowledge which is required for a lawful citizen's arrest. they didn't see him commit any crime that day. the state's not saying he wasn't in there. he went in there and wandered around and came out and ran off down the street. we all know that. they didn't know that. >> that would seem to be the crux of the argument there in the rebuttal. in your view, did the prosecution do its job? >> the prosecution did its job attacking the central theme of the defense, which has to be this is a lawful citizen's arrest. in order

. >> danny cevallos and paul butter, you have been invaluable to us. as always, i appreciate your expertise to us. thank you. >>> msnbc coverage of this trial will continue. the second testimony resumes after lunch, which we just found out from the judge will be approximately 2:00 p.m. eastern. >>> coming up, the incendiary videos and repeated election lies. the toxic environment within the republican party driven in part by donald trump is making capitol hill a place qualified candidates want to avoid. >>> later as president biden heads to baltimore to sell his plan, making the road more treacherous for his agenda. the mid terms less than a year away. you're watching "meet the press daily." . hi. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers, even in early stages. early stages! yep, it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. count me in! me too! at t-mobile for business, unconventional thin

. >> danny cevallos, i want to play an early portion of the judge's instructions focusing on self-defense. >> the law of self-defense allows the defendant to threaten or intentionally use force against another only if he believed that there was actual or imminent unlawful interference with his own person and he believed that the amount of force which he used or threatened to use was necessary to prevent or terminate the interference, and his beliefs were reasonable. the defendant may intentionally use force, which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believed that the force used was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to his own person. a belief may be reasonable, even though it is mistaken. a standard is what a person of ordinary intelligence and prudence would have believed in the defendant's position under the circumstances that existed at the time of the alleged offenses. >> so danny, first to you, and then to paul on what you infer from the way the judge presented that. >> all right it's very confusing. it's the nature o

chuck rosenberg, danny cevallos said it would probably be a long time in prison. is there any chance they'll get out of prison, given that they were found guilty of all these very serious charges? >> not by serving the remainder of their sentence. but people need to be ready for the fact that there will be appeals and possibly the problematic citizens arrest statute in georgia and the jury instructions ultimately given to the jury could be fertile ground for an appeal. after all, that statute was repealed after this incident. so to say it was problematic is almost established. and the judge eventually didn't -- chose not to fashion any kind of remedy but essentially read the statute verbatim. drafted in the mid-1800s, it is as confusing then as it was just before it was repealed. >> explain that to me. the statute was repealed. what was it repealed to, what's the difference between then and now? >> so first, i would just say, jury restrictions are probably the most common ground for appeal. but this particular statute, it looks to me, and this is just my observati

attorney joins us and right on set, good to see someone in person, criminal defense attorney danny cevallos. what's the latest? >> reporter: now, the jury must decide that central question, did this teenage provoke the violence, or just defend himself against it. this morning, kyle rittenhouse's case will be in the hands of the jury, after closing arguments painted two very different pictures. >> he feared for his life. >> the defendant provoked everything. >> reporter: last august during protests in kenosha, wisconsin, rittenhouse shot and killed two men and wounded a third. the prosecution portrayed rittenhouse as a wannabe soldier that provoked the bloodshed. >> you cannot claim self-defense against a danger you create. >> reporter: arguing rittenhouse crossed state lines looking for trouble. >> no serious credible medic wears an ar-15 slung across their body. >> reporter: rittenhouse's team doubling down on the self-defense argument. >> every person who was shot was attacking kyle. kyle shot joseph rosenbaum to stop the threat to his person. and i'm glad he shot him. >> reporter: ritten

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nbc legal analyst danny cevallos. and former assistant district attorney in milwaukee county, julius kim. shaq, what is it like in kenosha right now?

nbc legal analyst danny cevallos. and former assistant district attorney in milwaukee county, julius kim. shaq, what is it like in kenosha right now? >> katy, when that verdict was read we saw a large group of people on the courthouse steps. this was something highly anticipated especially as the jury got into day four of deliberations. but then someone came out of the courthouse, told the crowd the news, and you heard the divide that's reflected not just here in kenosha but all across the country. some people cheered, saying the second amendment prevailed. self-defense was a principle they were defending. and some people were upset by this including the uncle of jacob blake, who was the man shot by a kenosha police officer last august that led to the conditions for the kyle rittenhouse shooting that was being litigated today in the courthouse. i want to bring in reverend dr. monica cummings here, because she was on the courthouse steps as the verdict was being read. you are someone who has been praying over over the

. >> joining us, legal analyst maya wiley and danny cevallos, who you saw in the piece there.gin with you. as the jury sits and we wait, and the defendants wait, and ahmaud arbery's family waits for this verdict, just your view of how the case was prosecuted? many legal analysts we've been talking to the last week or so thought prosecutors made the case, but you can't account for a jury. >> that's absolutely right. we saw a prosecutor deliver a master class in how to prosecute one of these cases, which is to be very clear about the facts. make sure the facts are coming out at trial. but reiterate the points over and over again, as we saw in her closing and in her rebuttal. which was, you never heard anyone say ahmaud arbery threatened them. you never heard anyone say ahmaud arbery committed a crime they witnessed. you never heard anyone say anything that would give them a reason to make a citizens arrest or have grounds for self-defense. then laying out everything that happened in the lead-up to the shooting that demonstrated that the defendants actually, frankly, instigated t