we'll have more. >> danny colson is with us. formerly with fbi. i recall the attacks in paris in november. several attackers were recent refugees who came in the country pretending to be refugees and they had terrorism on their minds. it is a conduit for this kind of thing >> that is right. i enjoyed what steve rogers said. they have chosen this as an invasion. there is not enough intelligence from the local police officers to our intelligence agency. and there is a reason for that. and the attorney general guidelines that the fbi operates on does not allow for dissemination in most cases. an fbi agent can't tell a police officer we had an investigation on these guys and russian, and the boston marathon bombers, they couldn't tell it. and we are at war. let's talk to the local police cops. i want to echo it. we have to do something about it. the politicians pontificating and no one is changing anything. same thing in orlando. he was investigated a couple of times and ultimately cleared. he had drawn the attention of your old agency but they were n

we'll talk about this with with danny colson, deputy fbi assistant director and fbi hostage rescue team. danny, you've seen plenty of horrific incidents like this one in your time, but how would you assess the way police responded to the events in dallas? >> oh, my gosh, you can't give enough credit to rapid transit and dallas pd. i have done tactical prayings with the swat team. we should be very, very proud of what they d. they sufissered a withering ambush and devastating and in spite of the loss of five comraids, they went after the suspect. they didn't run away. our guys fought and went after this guy and resolved it and we can take great credit for what they did. you have to give the sympathy to the law enforcement. they feel belyingered and baltimore indictmentes of innocent people and ferguson unwanted charges against the police officer who was later exonerated. we need to support these guyses. they are our only line of defense and we don't do nearly enough. as a texan and american, i am proud of the dallas police officers and they give us all inspiration. >> you heard chief bro

former fbi commander danny colson joins us now.rom what we know and reported at this point? >> if we're talking about this particular situation with the bailiff, clearly some officer didn't properly control his weapon. that's a terrible situation. it's basic police 101. or there was some other extenuating circumstances. but having a person in custody and get control of a weapon and killing people, that is a tragedy. >> so to remind everybody, this is a developing story, and we are waiting for more information to come in. governor rick snyder has already announced that the investigation into the shooting is under way, happening this afternoon. but as a former fbi hostage rescue team commander, what do you make of this story as it relates to everything that has been happening in this country this week and last? >> oh, my gosh. it's a crazy world we live in right now, and it's hard to understand how we got here. we live in a world of violence where people want to take other people's lives. what i would like to see here with regard to

danny colson is a former fbi assistant deputy director hostage rescue team commander and joins us on the phone. danny, the rapid action battalion force is on the scene. they apparently are in control of the situation or at least in command. they say they want to diffuse the situation and save lives, and they had intended to, and we believe they are already in contact with the attackers on the inside. so, describe from your vantage point what you expect to happen. >> first of all, that commander needs to get controlled of the mealedda. the media will compromise his operation. they'll film it and the people inside will watch it on television and that's happened to me. know that does happen. happens very often. these type of situations, where it's in a metropolitan area and the media can be helpful to law enforcement but in this case they're not. secondly we know their demands are to kill as many people as they can and historically in the last five years, the technique is to attack and then claim you want to negotiate while you consolidate -- while they consolidate this position so it ma

let's bring in danny colson, former deputy assistant director with the fbi and also the fbi's former hostage rescue team commander. welcome, so nice to have you. especially when you're expertise is so needed right now. >> thank you. it's good to talk to you. sad day for dallas and the united states. we have, we mourn these officers. they did a magnificent job. trying to resolve a situation. we can't forget them or their families. >> i know you know the dallas area very, very well. you know a lot of these players. they're good friends of yours. right now k the fbi had a big team of agents in place there. fascinating thing about this is that what needs to be done now is to see who else may have been involved. even though the police chief is saying that the gunman act aed alone, we do know that there was a great deal of ammunition found inside his home, so we need to determine who helped him purchase this material, who may have transported him to that site indallas. these are question questions that they have, correct? >> absolutely. and there's a fertile ground of evidence. coming to l

we were speaking earlier with danny colson. y, it's my understanding that these gunmen burst into the restaurant and just started shooting people indiscriminately, leaving two people dead. if they've got 20 hostages now, what is the point in trying to negotiate, trying to wait them out? haven't they already proved that essentially they just want to kill as many people as possible? >> no doubt. it goes back to what we said earlier. they just want to slow down the response so they can kill more people. one thing that's significant here. if in fact there are nine of them there, that's actually a better thing for the government to deal with. it could have been a disaster if they split up in small teams like they did in mumbai. this could have been even worse, because at least in this situation, that commander can put all of his resources, assets right there, isolate them, contain them, and try to rescue as many as it can. i know it sounds kind of sinister to put it in those terms, but it's almost like triage, jon. you look for the b

danny colson, a former deputy fbi assistant director is back with us, we hope he can hear us this timea,, i'm going to start with you. there's a hashtag now enough. the front page of newspapers saying again. americans and people around the world can't believe this continues to happen. what needs to change? >> one of the talking points here in the counterterrorism community and among politicos is we need to be resilient. i found that to be callous to the people who died yesterday in france. i find it calloused to the people who died in baghdad before that or around the world. it's not about resilience, the west is resilient. we need to fight back in a way that puts an end to this threat. we need to take the fight to them in a holistic way that ends the spread of this ideology. we have to discredit the ideology on the battle field, that's the starting point for ending this threat. we don't know a lot about the attacker yesterday. there are details i don't know about as i sit here, he has not claimed responsibility, i don't know his background but we have a caveat. given the spread of the

danny colson joins us on the phone as we look at the video outside of the olympics shopping center iniche. it is early to say that it has

danny colson is a former fbi director deputy assistant director and fbi hostage rescue team commander. are you surprised? >> a little bit, yes. we don't know, i didn't have any information as to what the elements was but i think we can take some confidence from the fact that they clearly did a very detailed investigation. the fbi is the best in the world at doing these things you combine the technology and the ability to assimilate information. james comey is probably the most respected man in washington dc and if he comes up with the idea, the conclusion that there was no criminality here then we got to go with that. i don't know of any organization in the world that can bring out a case like this and i don't know of a better person to be the front person and manage this thing then james comey so i'm very confident if he says it's not criminal then i have to go along with it, i have to believe it's true and we're lucky to have a man like that running the fbi, he's very independent and very capable. jon: absolutely and his reputation is above reproach. i was surprised somewhat that th