the nra has this weird obsession with actors from batman movies including jack nicholson, danny devito and michelle pfeiffer. and finally, leonard nemoy are all on the enemy's list. yes, spak wants to take away your guns. americans want a serious conversation about gun safety, but the nra is just a joke. joining me now is clarence page. with an enemy's list like that, does the nra have any friends left? >> you would think they wouldn't. they have really gotten into a habit of making themselves, you know, casting themselves, casting the gun-opening communality as an all-pressed minority. they constantly pushed the group as being put upon, people don't understand them. once you start down that track, then anybody who criticizes you becomes part of the enemy. that's why you wind up with batman and who else on that list. it's a sign of desperation right now that they see they're on the defensive, defensive, especially after sandyhook and how much we've overreached in the past and the public now is making a pushback. >> but it also, michelle, shows you that people have to, even if they were