we have to go back to what barnhart said to danny kaye.he didn't even know who danny kaye was. which means who of us is normal. i'll tell you, was that a love affair, you want to know. i think she really cared about his welfare. >> larry: it was not a sexual relationship? >> i think they did have sex. >> larry: you do? >> yes. i can't guarantee that. >> larry: you think michael had sex to father the children? >> i don't know that answer, i think it's possible that he did. i can't guarantee that. you can only guarantee things you see. i don't want to make any suppositions about anything in this interview, because i want this to be as truthful as possible. >> larry: now, what about all the rumors about you and the fathering of those children? >> here's the most important thing. michael loved those children as a father. those children loved him as a father. as far as i know, that's the most important grouping that is. >> larry: that's not answering the question. >> no, because i'm not going to answer it the way you want me to answer. >> larry