starmer has danny kruger welcome back to headliners. i'm nick dixon.cressida wetton. and the enigma thatis cressida wetton. and the enigma that is louis schaefer. there he is, looking eye rolling at me even though he knows it's true. let's do the times. and keir starmer us he'll have let's do the times. and keir stémoney us he'll have let's do the times. and keir stémoney in he'll have let's do the times. and keir ste money in public ave no money to invest in public services. to services. so i was supposed to vote purely on charisma vote for him purely on charisma alone. keir starmer tells >> nice. keir starmer tells councils there is no magic money tree , so this is a kind of tree, so this is a kind of expectation management piece from keir starmer saying , hey, from keir starmer saying, hey, just because labour's getting in doesn't mean we're going to spend money. and of course, spend any money. and of course, lots of councils the lots of councils are on the verge , and they're verge of bankruptcy, and they're even the councils have rejected this sai

danny kruger.ger. kruger's position moving towards the reform position . towards the reform position. very difficult for rishi sunak to know what to do. well very difficult because whatever he does, he's going to lose voters one way or the other, because of course, voters in the red wall, although voters up and down the country are concerned about taxes, about public services, the cost of living and voters in the cost of living and voters in the red wall often are looking for something a bit different, more concerned with immigration, more concerned with immigration, more concerned with the small boats, whereas people in the supposed blue wall in the south are likely to take a rather calmer view about those things, likely to be less impacted, frankly, by illegal migration or the levels of net migration. >> so it's looking like that coalition of voters that boris johnson managed to get and sort of straddle , in 2000, okay. of straddle, in 2000, okay. >> all right. well, look, thank you very, very mu

today conservative danny kruger spoke of a "national security crisis" and labour's kevanjones that theblic accounts committee, though put much of the blame on the forces�* mismanagement of procurement. so have the cries of alarm across europe about a possible war with russia changed the way that the public view this issue? polling by the british foreign policy group suggests that 59% support raising defence spending and 78% strongly support nato. but of course that's asking about those specific issues — other surveys suggest that the british public overestimates by a factor of four the proportion of government spending that goes on the military, and when you ask people to choose three priority areas, only 20% pick defence, which is the same for crime, but behind immigration on 37%, health on 45% and the economy which is a top three issue for 53% of people. to explore that we're joined now by scarlett maguire at pollstersjl partners. you've looked at the electoral figures on this, the opinion research. this ought to be an issue that plays well for the conservatives, shouldn't it? yes, t

i'm in there as my fellow mps miriam cates danny kruger, marco longhi and others.media comes under attack. the very mild mannered spectator, as well as the daily telegraph. there as well as gb news, which is mentioned over 60 times. even the prime minister questioning labour policy is suggested to be evidence of a radical right drift, which is perhaps not surprising given one of their directors is a labour peer. hope not hate says that it is non—partisan. that is anti—fascist, and that they defend, champion and promote democracy in the rule of law. speaking against anti—democratic and authoritarian forces and policies . under this fake policies. under this fake posturing, it receives government funding . the home government funding. the home office's counter extremism unit, in fact, has given them over £100,000 over the last few years. not only that, but they've received a similar sum from trust for london, trust for london manages church of england trusts, ostensibly for the maintenance of church buildings, but also administers a trust set up for poverty relief wi

and there's a leaked recording of danny kruger from new danny kruger from the new conservatives , sayingould be for them and saying that he was sympathetic to their sort of diagnosis of the problem , that the conservatives weren't conservative enough , though he conservative enough, though he did say, you know, that they were reform out to destroy the conservatives. and, of course , conservatives. and, of course, they're doing very well as it is. if nigel farage comes from his sort of semi hands off role as chair comes back and leads the party, then inevitably , the party, then inevitably, they're going to go higher in they're going to go higher in the polls. so yes, some suggestions that they could potentially buy them off effectively give him usm us uk ambassador sorry to the united states, especially given he's clearly got an incredibly good relationship with donald trump, who may well be president come november. so yeah, the conservatives must think they just cannot seem to catch a break at the moment. and it just feels like things are going from bad to worse to even worse. >> someth

i note just, that the new conservatives group, which is headed up by miriam cates mp and danny krugerative party itself. >> that's right. hello, tom. hi, emily. that's right. so, though the new conservative group run by danny kruger and miriam cates , they're making it very clear they regret lee anderson's choice to leave the party. it makes the labour government more likely . i mean, literally, of likely. i mean, literally, of course, the party's course, it reduces the party's majority in the house of commons permanently with him joining that party. but also, they feel those two and this group of new conservatives, that it's time to go back to that, the kind of radicalness of 2019 and offer more obvious right wing policies to win back the support in the polls . the reaction in polls. the reaction in westminster has been quite interesting. lots of fury with lee anderson struck by dame jackie doyle's . price's response jackie doyle's. price's response to the revelation on gb news. when i interviewed lee anderson about two hours ago, i said, when did you tell the pm? he said, haven't th

paul, one last question for kruger, your for you, danny kruger, your colleague, he said the colleague the criticisms conservative criticisms of the conservative party from reform uk are, quote, mostly valid in a leaked recording. and he said, we're not a very conservative party in lots of ways. what do you think of that? do you agree, i think there's we should always be criticised as a party. we've got to renew ourselves. in to renew ourselves. and, but in terms he is, he's on terms of where he is, he's on a different of the different side of the conservative party to many others as well. so we were broad church. what we've got to do after the election, we need a strong, manageable, that strong, manageable, party that can led redefine what we can be to led redefine what we mean conservatives so can mean as conservatives so we can actually sell a vision to the country if we don't know what we're talking about in terms of that vision, then how do we expect the public to know that? >> mean, some would >> yeah, i mean, some would argue you are argue the fact you are a so—called church is

here is tory mp danny kruger being caught on tape saying what everybody is thinking. >> i think thate obstacles conservatism is the conservative party and i of what party and i kind of get what they're saying , though, sort of they're saying, though, sort of disruptive force. i think it would a tragedy if they did would be a tragedy if they did end up replacing us. their end up replacing us. but their general of what's general critique of what's wrong, is mostly valid. wrong, i think, is mostly valid. yes obviously a little bit muffled that. >> but he raises the issue that he thinks that reform could replace the tories and also he says that they are bang on the money when it comes to the key issues. well, the reform party issues. well, the reform party is now beating the tories with working class voters in the north, and level with them north, and it's level with them in the midlands as well. and they're neck, they're neck and neck, apparently the 50 to 64 apparently with the 50 to 64 year old age bracket. well, rishi sunak appears to be making no attempt to win them back. he could h