that's all 14 and 15 million people are involved in situations that -- danny meyer, have you gone to ately having that expensive wine just kidding that's a guy that's a reference to paul weiss amazing fantastic guy. we used to do business over dinner and you can't do that anymore, carl. you just can't. >> i might make an exception. >> what's also true, jim, is that people want to get a car, their own car, rather than take uber that's the thesis behind piper today on carvana you've got goldman upping carvana and vroom. carvana offering a billion in senior notes, this he see potential ebitda break even in q3 between that and auto zone and carmax, it's all about autos today. >> i think that the used auto business is unbelievable, the autozone -- when you do double the comps that people expect, i like the carvana piece, i've used carvana, by the way, it's kind of cool we bought the car, we didn't like t they took it back can you imagine? once it usually leaves the lot you're finished. it's pretty good yes, carl, people don't want to carpool anymore and they don't want to use public transi