danny, thank you very much indeed, danny shaw. might be a possibility. ent crime and justice commentator. now that the legal part of this particular proceeding has concluded, lucy letby has been sentenced and she has been told the judge has handed her a whole life order in the case of each of those crimes she has been convicted of. there are really two key themes moving forward. one that holiday—maker was talking about, the convicted murderers can choose not to be in court to hear the sentencing —— danny shaw. the men will make parliamentary time to discuss what will be said in that time and what is the best way forward —— the government will make time. the other issue that will continue for weeks and months and probably years is further investigations into lucy letby�*s criminal behaviour and her offending. because the trial at manchester crown court covered a 12 month period from june 2015 tojune 2016, but it does not cover the entirety of her nursing career and we have already been told by cheshire police they have started investigating places she work

we discussed this with our previous guest, danny shaw. about how this could work, including, perhaps having a video link into the sale of the a video link into the cell of the defendant. this would be rather than forcibly bringing them into court. yes, and indeed video links are used everyday in our courts for defendants who are in prison, rather than bringing them all the way into court for a short hearing. some sentences are passed where defendants are on video link. this is nothing new, but i think danny's point about whether people like letby, who have got a whole life sentence, should have a disadvantage when it comes to parole applications, i think that has merit there, or in letby�*s case, a transfer from a high category prison to a more open environment, i think looking at the way parole works could be one way of doing it. another way could be to extend the law of contempt of court, which could deal with defendants who are perhaps facing lesser sentences. that would be an additional punishment that the court could impose. there ar

danny shaw is an independent crime and justice commentator, and a former bbc correspondent.r before the judge. there have been calls for that law to be changed for some time. now the prime minister is saying that they are going to look at that. why has this taken so long? i think the reason it has taken so long is because it is difficult to draft legislation that is going to be workable. and i think that is the reason that there has been a delay. there has been certainly a recent trend over the past two years of people who have been convicted and found guilty, they have attended the court proceedings, they have waited until the jury has reached court proceedings, they have waited until thejury has reached its verdict and when the jury comes back with a guilty verdict, then they up out of the proceedings, they don't want to face the court and hear those impact statements, they don't want to hear the judge giving the sentencing remarks. so i think it is the practicality of it that i think is the problem. because if you take a case like lucy letby, you can't drag her kicking an

danny shaw, thank you.is, isabel, i think a lot of people you see this particularly with social media, they'll look at letby and they'll look at letby and they'll say, she didn't do this. she fooled enough people along the way . and the reason they're the way. and the reason they're say that is she doesn't look like a serial killer. >> you're saying you've seen people on social media saying she's innocent? yeah you're joking. >> no, no, absolutely. i mean, people will look at her and say she looks happy. yes. >> you know, like a killer. >> you know, like a killer. >> what does serial killer >> what does a serial killer look like? indeed. and this is just the terrible thing just the whole terrible thing about mean, her parents about it. i mean, her parents don't i know don't believe she did it. i know as well. and then you're going to to get to get you're going to get people saying how could she did? who? what sort person would who? what sort of person would even do that sort of thing? >> so also, let's not