because if you take the genocide in darfur -- >> in darfur. >> in sudan. the media largely reported it as an ethnic quasi-religious sort of conflict and so on. but that is your first major resource war brought about by climate impacts because darfur neighbors lake chad. lake chad used to be one of the largest inland seas in the world. and the climate science warned us decades ago that, as a result of a warming planet, lake chad was under risk. as the current secretary-general of the united nations ban ki-moon puts it, lake chad has now shrunk to a size of a pond, right? so water scarcity, land scarcity and food scarcity as a result of an absence of water and land was the toxic mix that created conditions for identity manipulation by opportunistic politicians that saw the so for some people it's going to be too late. however, we are still in a small window of opportunity, and that's where i disagree with people that say give it up, it's all over. there is a small window of opportunity in terms of time. i would say no more than five to ten years, and that ac

. >> we have seen tanks in khartoum and in other areas of concern, lidar for -- darfur. they are extremely concerned that following the lunchtime prayers they could see further protests. what is interesting is that they did not start off on twitter or facebook. they were a spontaneous explosion of anger that emerged as a result of the fuel price hike. schools are closed. there have been long lines of people for gas and other commodities. the government has sent out a strong message saying they will meet any destructive action with an iron fist. there has been no confirmation. the human rights groups are saying 50 people were killed. the government saying it was only 29. >> thus sudanese president is not at the u.n. -- the sudanese president is not at the u.n. this week. >> if he had turned up he would be the first head of state to a dress the general assembly while facing international war crimes and genocide charges. the u.n. has made it clear that he is not wanted. it would put the american government in an awkward position. human rights watch says if he did, they woul

i have looked at pictures from darfur, people starving in north korea, dissidents locked up and tortured in cuba. one thing i say to all of this, again in ba shir al-assad says watch closely, if you are watching closely, if you become a direct threat, we will send a cruise missile into your home, wipe out the regime, then step in with full international support. but right now this is syrian civil war. as terrible as it is, i do not want to expend our resources or put american lives on the line to get involved in this syrian civil war. this syrian conflict. >> congressman angle, just last question to you here, one of the things we've seen in the arguments, we saw this last week, is some members of congress trying to suggest that this is about benghazi. that president is somehow using this action in syria to detract from benghazi. we know the anniversary is this week and what happened in benghazi, personally i find that a ridiculous argument. but i want your reaction. >> is when deridiculous to. what happened in benghazi is a tragedy, no doubt about it. but what happened in syria has no di

don't have a national security interest when children are being chemically -- >> then we should be in darfur, 50 other countries around the world. that is not a reason. i wish, i wish, that sh the point. the point is we have no national security interest because the two sides of this conflict are both enemies of the united states. we have al qaeda who is definitely the dominant rebel force on one side and we have on the other side hezbollah, russia and assad. >> you are a leader on syria, you were a big supporter and author of the accountability act. and now you have seemed to have completely disappeared. i want to show you these images that have shocked the world. look at these children. they're twitching. they're dying. what if one of the mothers of those children called this station and said to you, why won't you help me? why won't you help my children. >> the reason the united states and i think joe will agree with me on this. we may disagree on where we come out, but the u.s. uses military forces for one reason and one reason only. it's in our national security interest. >> we have no m

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at machar a tiny village in south sudan near the border for border recently refugees in the war in darfur were streaming in as we flew out we could see the president of sudan's ginger with jonjo we had troops burning in another village and our four people were dying we saw the refugees president omar al bashir of sudan has been indicted by the criminal court at the hague but nobody's going to him nobody will arrest him he continues his war and campaigns of death in darfur and northern parts of southern sudan right now where is our noble outrage at that. similarly the death toll in the democratic republic of congo is horrific. why are we the united states the supposed policeman of the world not taking action to stop these humanitarian disasters the united states should stop using war as a way to resolve conflict and change the world we have other tools beyond the hammer of war and every problem in the world is not a nail many countries could be helped tremendously particularly iraq and afghanistan by simple things like building schools and hospitals and helping with infrastructure and of c

nobody's going to do it and nobody will arrest him he continues his war and campaigns of death in darfur and northern parts of southern sudan right now where is our noble outrage at that. similarly the death toll in the democratic republic of congo is horrific why are we the united states the supposed policeman of the world not taking action to stop these humanitarian disasters the united states should stop using war as a way to resolve conflict and change the world we have other tools beyond the hammer of war and every problem in the world is not a nail many countries could be helped tremendously particularly iraq and afghanistan by simple things like building schools and hospitals and helping with infrastructure and of course the united states itself desperately needs more schools hospitals and infrastructure right here at home. perhaps now that our president has seen some limited images of war we gassed and of these children in syria and is clearly horrified by them we can have a discussion about all the war and all instruments of war and the consequences of war and let's extend that

. >> reporter: perhaps nowhere was this more clear than in darfur or in rwanda when u.s. and international help came too little, too late. >> there is geo political interest. we do see ourselves having a vital interest in the middle east. >> reporter: david sloss says it's better to act now than not at all. but the declarations of intervening on behalf of human dignity it's hard to see how it wouldn't have been applicable at the start of the war too. but the use of chemical weapons seems more likely by the day. the u.s. supplied iraq with materials to make chemical weapons during their war with iran in the '80s. sloss says that u.s. policy has changed since then. but we are balancing this dynamic of humanitarian concerns with practical ones. the claim for standing up for human dignity and rules is part of the dynamic and true but far from a complete explanation. that's today's reality check. >> thank you, sam. >>> same-sex spouses of military veterans are the latest beneficiaries of the striking down of doma. those spouses can collect federal benefits regardless of their

the international criminal court indicted bashir for genocide in sudan's giant western region of darfurtates is under no obligation to arrest bashir if and when he sets foot in new york. it does have to ensure his safe passage to the part to the east side of manhattan. it's possible that bashir's visa will be mysteriously delayed. that is a trick the u.s. government has pulled off before when unwelcome diplomats have tried to get to the general assembly. if he does come here, he and his delegation will be seated immediately in front of the united states in the temporary building on the north lawn that houses this year's general assembly. >> and joining us now to discuss the possible legal implications if the susausanese president do attend the general as assembly is denise. what happens if he arrives? >> that is an interesting question. >> has this ever happened before? >> we have never seen a suspect fugitive from justice on a warrant attempt to go to the un general assembly. what we have seen is a number of anticipated travel by al-bashir has been cancelled to various countries due to

also, they want more money to fuel it for the war, which is ongoing in darfur, in chartoum and brunei. the sudanese public is in hardship. when they were talking about increasing, that is, the price of the gasoline and the oil products, we told them, if you think this is very hard, you cannot give it to the people to swallow it. even in medicine if something is sour, you can't. we ask them now our problem is not only economical but political. that is why we're asking them to open up and also to have a political reform, to have an administrative reform. >>> multiple bomb blasts in busy markets have killed 13 people and injured 35 others in iraq. the attacks targeted two predominantly sunni areas of baghdad. the number of those killed has went to a five-year history. good to have you with us. first of all, this latest attack, this was targeting sunni areas. earlier we had seen more attacks attacks shia areas. what's going on here? >> first the fact that iraq was in violence. i think what's major or what's changing now is certain areas being targeted for the first time by bombers. there'

someone in the bush administration, during darfur, they cannot believe what people have been through.y're not going to let happen on their watch. with "manhunt," it was different. i spent most of my life living overseas. an american based in london for on most 20 years. coming back to the states a few years ago i felt like i was stunned by the divisiveness of our debate. also, the night of the raid, everyone was cheering and then it went away. i knew enough. i have been around the world enough to know there was a dark, painful history that ultimately led to abbottabad. i knew we can learn from the people who were part of that history. their stories would be compelling on a human level. peter said did you know there were a lot of women? in the agency who have been tracking bin laden since 1995. i did not. that was something i wanted to portray. that is a human story. >> only have about two minutes up. you are one of the best known analysts. where do we stand? bin laden has been killed. is al qaeda finished? are they more than just the bin laden core? >> i think al qaeda is going the wa

darfur, rwanda and kosovo. how does this compare to the others? >> i think the head is right in saying this is the greatest humanitarian disaster of our time. it is comparable to what happened in rwanda, that was the last time you saw something this large, this fast. in rwanda, the world did not respond in time. in kosovo it did a lot of people -- it did not respond in time, but it did eventually respond. they say we are so much worse than kosovo. as i said, these humanitarian organizations are struggling against every hurdle to sort of take care of people. people are not starving in these camps largely. they are not getting enough medical care and they are worried about the future and traumatized. i do think that it's fair to call this one the greatest humanitarian disaster of all time. >> were you surprised at the level of the how many an toll it's taken and the disaster that is the support or not the disaster, but the lack of more robust support? were you surprised at the scale of things? >> we were there a year ago and there were maybe 50,000

argue, as thed secretary general argues, the genocide in darfur, was certainly intensified, exacerbated a result of climate impact. the desert is marching from senegal to the south at a rate of one molly year. -- one mile a year. when you see all of that happening, when heads of state are talking about all these interventions around chemical weapons, all of which are important, but the biggest threat to peace and security is coming already from climate change and it will intensify. in that sense, i was deeply disappointed that president obama did not make that connection. >> what could the u.s. be doing right now? >> they're compromising the economic future because the u.s. dues to forget about the arms race, space race, and so on. the only race that is going to matter in terms of which countries and companies will be competitive in the future is those countries and companies that get on the green race. the u.s. needs to take leadership. the world is hungry for u.s. leadership -- >> president obama was making the case for how the u.s. is exceptional. >> yes. way it isase, the red, speak

also, they want more money to fuel it for the war, which is ongoing in darfur, in chartoum and brunei. the sudanese public is in hardship. when they were talking about increasing the price of the gasoline and the oil products, we told them, if you think this is very hard, you cannot give it to the people to swallow it. even in medicine, if something is sour you quit it. we said not only is the problem economically but politically, so that is why we are asking them to open up and also to have a political reform, to have an administrative reform and then the people can -- >> do you think the protests will achieve that? do you think the protests will achieve what you want and that the government will back down on this? >> i think they have the policy, which is started even before, of shoot to kill. so i think without the pressure from the people, they cannot just back up overnight. because their relations with the international community, with the area here is bad, so there are no investments. there is no economical help from outside, and i think they are isolated from outside. now they

one is, out right genocide, such as in cambodia and darfur and in rwanda, we did not do anything, wehould have we the west not just united states but all of us, and other is, weapons of mass destructioo. as defined including chemical weapons, but horrible things happen in country, in your own country 750,000 people died in a horrible civil war, this was a legitimate disagreement between familfundamentally civilized pe. but the use of weapons like sarin gas, that is something else. unless we're just going to say everyone do what they want, use whatever weapons you want, and see where chips fall. neil: quickly. looks like whole world has become libertarian in this respect they just want to wipe their hands of it. it is reflected in rand pauls in the ted cruz those with view u.s. should stop being policeman in the world. >> no sane person is asking u.s. to be police of the world. who sane people all over the world are asking, is for united states to give a definition of its national security interest, then live by it. neil: we have, that i am not agreeing or disagreeing, but your view s

one is, out right genocide, such as in cambodia and darfur and in rwanda, we did not do anything, wehould have we the west not just united states but all of us, and other is, weapons of mass destructioo. as defined including chemical weapons, but horrible things happen in country, in your own country 750,000 people died in a horrible civil war, this was a legitimate disagreement between familfundamentally civilized pe. but the use of weapons like sarin gas, that is something else. unless we're just going to say everyone do what they want, use whatever weapons you want, and see where chips fall. neil: quickly. looks like whole world has become libertarian in this respect they just want to wipe their hands of it. it is reflected in rand pauls in the ted cruz those with view u.s. should stop being policeman in the world. >> no sane person is asking u.s. to be police of the world. who sane people all over the world are asking, is for united states to give a definition of its national security interest, then live by it. neil: we have, that i am not agreeing or disagreeing, but your view s

this as well, to end sexual assaults, rape, as a tool in conflict, in conflict zones in somalia, in darfur and now in syria. >> yes. >> what are you hoping to accomplish, because you're reinstituting this, this afternoon. >> well, this afternoon i'm hoping to bring together more countries than ever before in the history of the world on this subject. i think we will have more than 100 countries signing a declaration that we are going to treat such crimes as grave breaches of the geneva convention. that we're going to have a new international protocol on how we work together on prosecuting such crimes. so the idea that there's impunity for rape as a weapon of war can be brought to an en. this has been one of those taboo subjects. while we've been busy dealing with the arms trade treaty, which is quite right, we've been international diplomacy has yielded many good results in recent years, we haven't addressed this subject sufficiently. it's a major outstanding subject we can really improve the condition of humanity if we can change global attitudes on this. and we're part of the way to doing

of george bush president butt w they deployed tens of thousands of troops to the conger and them darfur it was a priority for president bush to get u.s. -- un peacekeepers to get troops into darfur because there was pressure within the u.s. to do something about that slaughter. although there is a split in rhetorical terms between the democrats on the republicans over the value of the un, in practical terms, both democratic and republican administrations see the advantages of un peacekeeping. host: chantilly, virginia, democratic caller -- caller: thank you for taking my call. each soldier in the u.s. costs $2000. they send in their own people and train their own people and give them the same amount of money rather than send in our troops to pakistan or some other country? they are not even effective where you send them. the un misuses the funds and people they send them to to protect them. name one country where un soldiers have done something good. watchedout there and like a vacation. they have not done anything for anybody and it's a waste of money. guest: i think i can name and num

un peacekeepers to get troops into darfur because there was pressure within the u.s.ms between the democrats on the republicans over the value of the un, in practical terms, both democratic and republican administrations see the advantages of un peacekeeping. host: chantilly, virginia, democratic caller -- caller: thank you for taking my call. each soldier in the u.s. costs $2000. why can't they send in their own people and train their own people and give them the same amount of money rather than send in our troops to pakistan or some other country? they are not even effective where you send them. the un misuses the funds and abuse the people they send them to to protect them. name one country where un soldiers have done something good. they go out there and watched like a vacation. they have not done anything for anybody and it's a waste of money. guest: i think i can name and number of countries where the un has done some good. if you look at places like sierra leone, liberia, east timor, haiti, the un has played a central role in restoring order to countries that w

african union there in darfur. that mission was established in 2007. we're going to go to the phones now to chat with susan glasser, the editor of "politico" magazine. give us a call. phone lines are open. tom is waiting from columbia, maryland, on our democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. thank you very much for taking my call. the ust confused as far as back and forth, back and forth rhetoric. if we're going to rely on the united nations as far as their conclusions and they will not submit to say who exactly is responsible, then why are we using circumstantial evidence to be so sure? the targets that we would have would not be based on circumstantial surveillance. guest: i think the caller is sort of concerning two different things. there's the question of whether there will be future military action and what kind of targetsing and intelligence would be used on that right now. president obama has said he's going to hold off on that in order to give this diplomaticsy and this negotiated a

in terms of going into syria, what about darfur, other places trouble spots in the sudan and in the world one when there's a civil war going on. no good can come from that, so i'm -- bill: chose libya too. >> that was wrong too. bill: how poorly has this been managed? you think about the president's statement a week ago this past saturday where everybody thought we were moving forward and he deferred to congress. every day since then it has been a twist and a turn. by the hour. >> that's why his numbers on foreign policy is going down. he is at 40%. you have john kerry getting up one day saying this is urgent. the next day the president says, we're going to wait until congress come back and ask them to weigh in on it, something he had not previously said. then when asked would you act if congress does not agree, there was no direct on that. people are confused. what is the obama doctrine? what are the protocols here? we don't understand what that is. bill: what is it, tucker? >> he -- alan colmes. >> not on everything. >> this on he clearly has. good for you being honest about it. where d

we've seen even greater ba eer barberism that can fallon in rwanda or darfur. i've been to more than my share of war zones. each is horrible and unique lip tragic. but this most recent atrocity is particularly gutwrenching. unlike the tragedies of earlier decadeses, we have the technology on our compute earles and smart phones to see the full horrors unfold in realtime. children lined up in shrouds, forever silent. devastated fathers and mothers kissing children good-bye. some pulling the sheet around their beautiful faces as if tucking them in for the last time. there's no words of condemnation strong enough to capture such infinite cruelty. but where words may fail us, action must not. every adult american, every member of congress should watch those videos for themselves. see that suffering. look at the of those men and women, those babies, and dare to turn away and foresake them. watch those videos and imagine the months and years ahead where an emboldenened assad and those who follow his example carry out more attacks forcing us to witness more and more su

the largest mission is and are darfur. that mission was established in 2007. we will go to the phones now. give us a call. the phone lines are open. tom is waiting. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. thank you for taking my call. i am confused as far as the back-and-forth rhetoric. if we are going to rely on the united nations as far as their conclusions and they will not submit to say who is responsible, why are we using circumstantial evidence to be so sure? hopefully the targets we would have were not based on circumstantial surveillance. guest: i think the caller -- there is the question about whether there will be future military action and what kind of intelligence would be used? president obama said he will hold off to give his diplomacy and this agreement a chance to work. issues.one bucket of if the u.n. report was not set up to conclude who was guilty in this attack, where do we look for an answer? the united states has said they have evidence beyond their own doubt about the guilt of the assad regime. the russians continue to be advocate

someone in the bush administration, during darr for -- during darfur, they cannot believe what peopleave been through. they're not going to let happen on their watch. with manhunt it was different. i spend most of my life living overseas. an american based in london for on most 20 years. coming back to the states a few years ago i felt like i was stunned by the divisiveness of our debate. also, the night of the raid, everyone was cheering and then it went away. i knew enough. i have been around the world enough to know there was a dark, painful history that ultimately led to abbottabad. i knew we can learn from the people who were part of that their stories would be compelling on a human level. peter said did you know there were a lot of women? in the agency who have been tracking bin laden since 1995. i did not. that was something i wanted to portray. that is a human story. >> only have about two minutes up. you are one of the best known analysts. where do we stand? bin laden has been killed. is al qaeda finished? are they more than just the bin laden core? >> i think al qaeda is goi

there in darfur.t mission was established in 2007. we're going to go to the phones now to chat with susan glasser, the editor of "politico" magazine. give us a call. phone lines are open. from columbia, maryland. go ahead. caller: thank you very much for taking my call. . guest: if the u.n. report didn't conclude and wasn't set up to conclude who was guilty in this chemical weapons attack, where do we look for a definitive answer? the united states and its allies have said they have what they believe to be evidence beyond their own doubt about the guilt of the assad regime in this circumstance, but the russians continue to be fairly effective advocates on behalf of the syrian government. at least in muddying the waters. there is at least raising a question out there about the guilt. again, the u.s. seems fairly certain in addition to the report their own intelligence sources suggest very strongly that this was an action by government-controlled forces against the people. host: talk about how this repo

"while there are many injustices around the world from darfur to eastern congo, take it from one who has covered most of them, syria today is the world capital of human suffering." there are few journalists, few americans who have more credibility on the issue of what's happening to children and to vulnerable populations around the world than nicholas kristoff. for him to say the world capital of suffering is in syria, the world capital of human suffering is in syria is a powerful and compelling statement. that brings me back to where i started, mr. president. i started walking through the early days of this opposition to a repressive regime against mr. assad. the people who led the way in large measure were children or young people. making the case against his regime. one of the harrowing and very disturbing elements of this entire crisis, this war that's raged on for more than two years now, is the impact it's had on children. i received a report today that came from save the children who have enormous credibility not only on children's issues worldwide but they are actually save t

ofthe reports in darfur government bombing, killing seven people, including four people, and -- fourchildren, and i wonder if the u.n. is aware of this, can you confirm these deaths, and what is the you and doing? u.n. doing? >> we will get you an update on those details. have a good weekend everyone. >> the state department today ordered nonessential u.s. to formats to leave lebanon due to security concerns, as the administration and congress and a possible military strikes on newhboring syria in a travel warning. the department said it had instructed nonessential staffers and urgedeirut american private citizens to depart lebanon. also today, at the end of the g- 20 summit, president obama had final news conference and announce he would be speaking to the nation tuesday in the white house on a possible strike against syria, and reaction of the congress from the last couple days, including tweets, marsha blackburn, john lewis, the jobs report released today. we will bring you those reactions highway of twitter day-to-day. the new u.n. ambassador samantha power will speak this aftern

greaterseen the even barbarism that can follow whether it is rwanda or darfur.of warbeen to my share zones. each is horrible and uniquely tragic. is this most recent atrocity particularly got-wrenching. and unlike those tragedies of earlier decades, we have the technology on our computers and our smartphones to see the full horrors unfold in real time. children lined up. their voices forever silenced. devastated mothers and fathers kissing their children goodbye. some polling the sheet up tight against their beautiful faces as it is talking them in for the last time. there are no words of condemnation strong enough to ,apture such infinite cruelty but to where words may fail us, action must not. american, every member of congress should watch those videos for themselves. see that suffering. look at the eyes of those men and women, those babies and their to turn away and forsaken them. watch those videos and imagine the months and years ahead where and emboldened the assad and those who follow his example carry out more attacks, forcing us to witness more and mor