so, in darfur in particular, the rsf and allied groups — which are predominantly arab groups that haveal and human rights watch, that what has happened in darfur, specifically the targeting of the masalit, which is a black ethnic group, will constitute what could be considered genocide. but then, the other ethnic dimension to this has been the army has also attracted backing from groups, especially in the north and the east of the country, that are quite powerful, but also ethnic armed groups that have come in to say, "we will stand with the army "to fight the rsf as well." and so, that has raised fears that essentially the country could split in the middle with the groups, with the rsf and the ethnic groups in the west of the country, favouring the idea of having their own, erm, civilian administration, but also then, on the east, the army retaining the backing of those powerful ethnic groups on that side. what success, if any, has there been for the desire to get the parties together and talk it through and find a solution? so, saudi arabia and the united states have, from the onset,

so, in darfur in particular, the rsf and allied groups — which are predominantly arab groups that havetional and human rights watch, that what has happened in darfur, specifically the targeting of the masalit, which is a black ethnic group, will constitute what could be considered genocide. but then, the other ethnic dimension to this has been the army has also attracted backing from groups, especially in the north and the east of the country, that are quite powerful, but also ethnic armed groups that have come in to say, "we will stand with the army "to fight the rsf as well." and so, that has raised fears that essentially the country could split in the middle with the groups, with the rsf and the ethnic groups in the west of the country, favouring the idea of having their own, erm, civilian administration, but also then, on the east, the army retaining the backing of those powerful ethnic groups on that side. what success, if any, has there been for the desire to get the parties together and talk it through and find a solution? so, saudi arabia and the united states have, from the on

that was in darfur.vernment in sudan is saying, whatever the actors are saying, i think this is a time to put on the table on some sort of mechanism for civilians. [indiscernible] that can be a starting point. access to food and other services. that is where i will end it. it is very important and timely to have a conversation about civilian protection in sudan. >> thank you. quscondy a lot on the table. as bad as the fighting is right now, what we can expect to see as the next fighting system -- fighting season comes into bloom. the secretary general's report to the security council on civilian protection options in sudan is due shortly. the council is due to meet i believe at the end of october on this issue. could you tell us what might be in this report? a bunch of organizations have been involved in trying to feed into it. what are the lessons we can learn from previous peacekeeping endeavors, both the large and small interventions on civilian protection? what lesson can we draw from that for what w

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but the un has said that there is a famine in parts of darfur, especially in the zam zam camp.is encircled. and who is encircling zam zam? this is a question. let us answer. the army and others have accused the united arab emirates of supplying the rsf with weapons. how much of a difference does that make? how big a factor is that in the way this war is playing out? it was proven by the expert's report, it shows this is number one on the ground. also on the field also. there are so many 4x4 cars, armoured vehicles, passport. some like rockets like galvan one and some small arms. ammunitions. but how much of a difference do you think that makes in the fighting of the war? yes. this is a very big difference. this is a militia. if you support them with arms and it's not normal arms and it's advanced high tech one. so it will. but by the end of the day, they will not conquer. it's the militia. the un has said that weapons are not only coming in from the united arab emirates, but also from other countries, from russia, from iran. are you getting weapons from iran? clearly, and i'm g

this has been previously reported because it seems to be quite prevalent in the darfur region, whichbut the fact that this has happened injazirah state, which has experienced some relative stability during the 18—month conflict, has really raised our concern about the fate of civilians because one of the representatives of the doctors' union was saying that the army has failed, sort of has struggled to protect civilians, and that's why they've had a lot of difficulties in evacuating some of those who are wounded because of constant shelling and sniperfire in that region. so there's a lot of cause for concern about this, you know, escalation. to the us, where it's only nine days to go until the presidential election and the campaigns are rolling on. donald trump spent saturday at a campaign event at a pennsylvania university, after campaigning earlier in michigan. at a rally near detroit, muslim leaders endorsed the former president onstage, saying they believe he can bring peace to the middle east. the conflicts in gaza and lebanon are top issues there in michigan. but in pennsylvani

but the un has said that there is a famine in parts of darfur, especially in the zam zam camp.g? so you know zam zam, it is encircled. and who is encircling zam zam? this is a question. let us answer. the army and others have accused the united arab emirates of supplying the rsf with weapons. how much of a difference does that make? how big a factor is that in the way this war is playing out? it was proven by the expert's report, it shows this is number one on the ground. also on the field also. there are so many 4x4 cars, armoured vehicles, passport. some like rockets like galvan one and some small arms. ammunitions. but how much of a difference do you think that makes in the fighting of the war? yes. this is a very big difference. this is a militia. if you support them with arms and it's not normal arms and it's advanced high tech one. so it will. but by the end of the day, they will not conquer. it's the militia. the un has said that weapons are not only coming in from the united arab emirates, but also from other countries, from russia, from iran. are you getting weapons fr

civilians >> will ripley, cnn taipei now earlier this month, the cnn crew was held captive in the north darfur region of war torn sudan they arrived to report on the world's worst humanitarian crisis, but wound up becoming part of the story. chief international correspondent clarissa ward's team was supposed to meet a group deemed a neutral party in sudan's civil war. but instead they wound up being detained by a heavily armed militia for 48 hours. she explains how they got out i think we were fortunate in the sense that our captors were pretty kind to us. >> after a few very panic inducing moments in the beginning, we sat and told them that we were sorry for any offense that we had committed and that we had children and families, and please, not to hurt us and towards us at that point. it was still pretty intense because of course it was stressful not being able to talk to our families and worrying that our families were worrying about us and worrying that we didn't know when we would be able to get home. as the only woman i was concerned about limiting my food and water intake because there

intending to go and what happened so jake, we were trying to get to a town called tawila in north darfur for it is quite close to the besieged city of el fasher, where some of the heavy he is fighting has been taking place in dar for also to the zamzam displacement camp where a famine was declared, in august and tawila has been a refuge to hundreds of thousands of people who have poured in because it's in a neutral territory. >> and it's held by a group called the slm, the sudan liberation movement. they are a neutral actor. they invited us to come stay with them we were supposed to meet them in the town of abu gamra and very sadly are unfortunately, they did not turn up and instead we were picked up by another militia who were very suspicious of us who appear to think we were spies we were interrogated for many hours and then they took us essentially with them to spend 48 hours in captivity underneath acacia tree >> what was your time in captivity like and why did they ultimately thankfully decide to release you and your producer and cameron? >> well, i think we were fortunate in the se

i've been to darfur there three years after the real journalists were there covering the intense story, but still i needed to get there and no idea, what i was doing or how to operate in a place like that. and within a day or two of getting there, i'm sitting in a holding cell with afghan security with the sudanese security forces, with kalashnikov pointed at me. why i took a picture near not of near the u.s. embassy in khartoum walking around the streets. i take a picture suddenly hear commotion. i turn around. guys with guns are running at me. i'm thinking, oh, they must be going past me for something. and that's when they stop pointing their guns at me. i'm like, i was so unprepared for that moment and so clueless. i wasn't as afraid as i should have been. i was just thinking like, okay, this is some little confusion will clear up. and they said, no, no, you took a picture of the embassy and i said, no, i didn't i took a picture near the embassy. my back was to it like, now come with us, dragged me off, held me for 45 minutes or so in, interrogated me, eventually my sudanese transla