daria in berlin. -- [crosstalk] imran: one second. let's bring in daria here. this idea of bilateral talks, both of the guests have mentioned it so far. we are very far away from bilateral talks, but can we get there with russian, american, turkish intervention? guest: well, i honestly don't know. but i do see russia and turkey playing a central role just for the mere fact that they are there on the ground. they do have a special relationship. for example, russia and armenia, even though they have become strained, not least due to the russian stance in the war in 2020, turkey and azerbaijan also have a special relationship. i think this matters. but ultimately, you cannot, irrespective of who plays mediator, i think it is essential that it is up to both parties to come to a consensus. and i think the key issue here is really security, because, as we have seen in this discussion, this still is the major issue. so i think the answer could be some kind of peacekeeping force. i don't know how realistic. but i do see the consensus between the parties themselves, between armenia and azerbaijan are central here as well. imran: you are both members of parliament both in baku and in yerevan. vladimir, you've said that you're willing to have bilateral talks. nigar, you've said that you are willing to have bilateral talks. why don't you put pressures on your governments to actually make that happen? let's begin with vladimir first. why don't you put pressure on your government to make those bilateral talks happen? guest: we are in negotiations for more than two years. we have started the process up in november 9. we actually announced the era of peace and we worked towards the establishment of normal, friendly relations between our neighbors. it is strange that negotiations have continued all this period, but it is very complicated to negotiate when you are negotiating and your counterpart said, ok, you don't agree, i will bring another artillery, another drones. i will try to infiltrate another part of your territory. but you should continue to negotiate. we are ready to negotiate. we would be ready to negotiate, because negotiations are part of international law. negotiation is part of the civilized world. bubut what we have -- is it possible negotiating with a beast who tried to eat you? we are ready to sit and negotiate. we're here, and to start negotiation, we should festival all -- we should first of all stop all military activities. otherwise -- imran: sorry, vladimir. we are running out of time. we want to put your point to nigar in baku. negotiations have been taking place, but there have been accusations by armenia that they're at the point of the gun, that you are actually using violence during these negotiations. are you? is this your tactic? guest: as i said, look at the facts. they are internationally-recognized borders azerbaijan and armenia ,, and there is a long record of armenia breaking and violating our territorial integrity. this is the fact. it is not something that he is saying or i am saying. he said stop military activities. this is a very good point. so this is the reason why i am asking why armenia didn't fully remove it's illegal armed force from territories of azerbaijan? we are also seeing stop military activities. remove your illegal forces from the territory of azerbaijan. let's have a seat at the table & a peace deal. we want a region where corporation will be. where prosperity will be. imran: sorry, we are running out of time. darian everything you have heard, this idea that there can be international mediation within this actual conflict itself that seems to be so far from actually happening, is the international community a problem here? surely something needs to , change. they've been trying the same tactics now for a while. guest: i do see that this constellation that we have now in the international arena, it complicates it even more. because now we have this confrontation between russia and the west. i would still say that the minsk group has been not very successful. you have russia, france, and u.s. so it is not only up to the international community to solve this, but given the situation as it is now, it also becomes complicated because there, you would have this kind of import of issues, bilateral issues between russia and the u.s., or russia and france, or russia and the e.u., which would have an impact also on the conflict in the south caucasus. imran: i want to thank all our guests -- nigar arpadarai