miller. >> is my pleasure to introduce darlene miller joining us today from my home state. ms. miller is president and ceo of transport industries in burnsville, minnesota, and manufacturing company that provides small part machines to other industries. trade was named u.s. chambers on business of the year in 2008 in a 2010 ms. miller herself was named by the burnsville chamber of commerce as the businessperson of the year. i've had the good fortune of meeting ms. miller in 2012 when we toured burnsville senior high school together to discuss the importance of stem education. i've also discussed my community college cougar fund act which would create public-private partnerships to address skills gap in manufacturing. thank you for being with us today and to discuss how you can best meet the needs of your employees. thank you, mr. chairman. thank you mr. chairman. it is my privilege to introduce an oppressive economist, an attorney. growing up in wichita rob has become a notable figure in the economics community. he brings a balanced perspective on the issue has been an executive

it's my pleasure to introduce darlene miller who is joining us today from my home state. ms. miller is the president and ceo of permac industries in burnsville minnesota, a manufacturing company that provides precision small part machines to other industries. permac was named the u.s. chamber small business of the year in 2008 and in 2010 ms. miller herself was named by the burnsville chamber of commerce as the business person of the year. i've had the good fortune of meeting ms. miller in 2012 when we toured burnsville senior high school together to discuss the importance of s.t.e.m. education. ms. miller, thank you for being with us today to discuss how you can best meet the needs of your employees. >> thank you mr. chairman. growing up in wichita, bob has become a notable figure in the economics community. he brings a balance perspective on this issue and he has been an xrve and private public and government sectors. his list of accomplishments, employment and memberships on advisory boards reads more like a collection of several highly accomplished people rather than one m

littonen. >> it is my presence to introduce darlene miller. mostly sunny miller is the president and ceo of perm yak industries in minnesota a manufacturing company that provides prosignificance small part machines to other industries. permac was smalled the small business of the year in 2008 and in 2010 miss miller was named by the byrnesville chamber of commerce as the business person of the year. i've had the good fortune of meeting miss miller when we toured byrnesville senior high school to discuss the importance of stem education. we have also discussed my community college career fund act which would create public-private partnership. miss miller, thank you for being with us today and to discuss how you can best meet the needs of your employees. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. >> well thank you, mr. chairman. it is my privilege to introduce bob litan, economist and attorney and native kansasan. he has becomed involved in the economics community and brings a balanced perspective and has been in the private public and government

. >> darlene miller from minnesota who is going to be testifying next in the next panel she is president of permac industries in byrnesville, minnesota. she'll be talking about being a small business owner. she offers a 401(k) plan on roughly 30 employees. darlene is helping her employees prepare for retirement and setting the right example for many other businesses but she has some concerns that the proposed rule will jeopardize they are ability to provide this to her employees going forward. can you ensure us you will continue to work with business owners like darlene to make sure that these rules don't have unintended consequences? >> i welcome the opportunity. i read miss miller's testimony and she's a very successful business owner, not to mention a minnesotan and we've spent time with small business owners. what they tell me most frequently is i'm an expert at making my product, my widget and i have ten people and i don't have expertise in 401(k)s but i want to offer it because i want to attract the best and the brightest and what we've done in this proposal is include a number of