let's hear from an underage driver about how and why he breaks the law, and from the sisters of darnell hartecrazy. i've been in police chases and i've got away, because we know where we need to go. if there's a group of us, you know, we'll all chip in. we'll let an older person know that we want a car. and then they'll get a car from someone else and then they'll bring it to us. our house will never be the same, our family will never be the same. darnell was literally the heart of our family. the judge should have said, i'm going to set an example, i'm going to teach young boys, or young girls, or young people that feel it is ok to steal a car that it's not ok, these are the consequences of your actions. because, you know, regardless of your age, you know what you're doing. let's talk to paul silverwood who runs a car club teaching youngsters under the age of 17 to drive. nicole, who learnt to drive at the under—17s car club. and claire evans, who is consumer editor at what car magazine. i want you to react with the fact that children as young as 12 are being banned from driving according to