darpa is a great example. you look at the people who are now in aarpa e and they are an incredible group of people. they come here for three years, give up what they're doing, coming from companies, and devoting their time to a totally peer reviewed process. so nist is the same way, they have a technology program. i think the politicalization program has been overblown. >> i'm telling you as a reporter who's covered these issues for more than 40 years, it seems very clear. each president, i know where the money is going to go depending on the party from the day one. you know who's going to get the jobs and how that group of people will think it will affect policy down the road. you know in advance. you don't have to be in washington very long to know where the pressure, like where the pipeline came from. i mean the national resources defense counsel has been up in arms about it. i don't know why. they've got such great minds. they haven't worried about such things since apples. >> it seems to me we've got to d

i may have some question about some of the efforts you're doing, but if we go back to the '60s and darpa, a lot of people lo and behold today, we have the internet. you actually hired someone out of the, when i say we collect e collective. we've been an area to advance this economy in way ways the navy saw a high volume of connect activity. the defendant said a lot of money of which. so i think what you're doing in alternative and renewable energy, even though a i think it's critical for a long-term national security and economic security. i was just in afghanistan,. . the power of the solar panels and the change that has occurred through on the ground test tg. when you look we got to weight on the because they had. tha thaet. i want you to know from a state that pro dusz a lot of oil and gas we like what you're doing around renewable to be secure from a national security perspective. i hear this debate out there because people wonder why you're in the business. well, because you're in the business of saving lives. part of the work you do in the military is try to look at risk analysis,

only three percent of russian families are choosing to have more than three children however artie's darpa's column at the household bucking the trend boasting a brood that swore like a family forest that a family tree did it they'd that. if you miss trying hard to prove he knows all of his one hundred and eleven siblings and cousins my heart out of which only fourteen brothers and sisters are his are and to that all of the aunts and uncles and that's one family a bit difficult to keep track of. putting names to faces no problem the most difficult thing really is remembering everyone's birthdays every other day we sometimes even have three or. under a says that parents had only thirteen children but each of his siblings and it up with many kids of their own so the reality of having children for the chaparral family is taken to a completely different level. i don't even look at anyone having one child who doesn't really count having two that's guessing the three that counts as having a child. this is the largest family in the clan has fifteen children. when i was asked as a child what i wante

in this country which is education you know the the internet was invented by government research at darpa it was perfected at the n.c.s.a. at the university bill annoy through education money and grants of the government to speed it in and it created millions and millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in in wealth in this country and the idea that you're going to cut education further to give money to wealthy americans that are going to keep in their bank accounts that are going to serve a productive purpose is when we reject and the idea that you know mitt romney's five million dollars he made last year when he was on the campaign trail now isn't working that that lazy money deserves to be taxed less than the working working families hard earned money that they are in through their labors over hours an hours we reject that as well so. how do you think this is going to play out. politically. the this study show in the polls show that a majority of americans that a substantial majority of americans favor this proposal in fact a majority of millionaires favor this proposal so you know mo

into the, into nist, into putting additional funding into edarpa, putting additional funding into darpa. there are many ways in which as you know the u.s. government if you go into the history of the evolution of our major new sectors over the past 50 years, you will see that the government has played a major role as a supplier of basic research funding, as a supplier of supporting the training of the scientists and doctors and engineers who actually do the research with the research funding, the government has been a major source of support in terms of procuring, procurement, just buying the stuff as a big buyer, as it comes out the door. so actually, if you look at the office of science and technology policy and look at the present science and innovation budget, i think you will see to the extent that they have been able to do it, again within political restraints, the idea of supporting particular attention on research in energy on nanotechnology, on continued support for innovation and research in health, i think i would agree with you completely, the government of the united states

informations systems and providing them in the private sector, they're funded over here by places like darpa. there is an interplay. on the subject of a totalitarian regime, it is important to remember that area 51 the reason why surveillance was born, and it was born there in peacetime, peacetime overhead surveillance equals area 51. that was to track essentially the soviet union. the whole idea of government surveillance is so that you don't know what's going on, and that is the underlying premise that i find fascinating when people look talking about the internet because there could not be more of a conflict of interest of giving your information out and at the same time trying to remain private. i just love looking back because i think it's interesting to look forward. one of the earliest drones that the cia created and this was in 1971 and i saw this, little version of this called the insect of softer. it was designed to look like a dragonfly. it beat the wings and it was filled with a thimbleful of gasoline. that was then. of course now we have hummingbird drones. much more realistic l