and turning out to darpa, the u.s.ense advanced research project agency, which focuses on the way government agencies can utilize technologies in the coming years. the main theme behind agency is not about machines gaining control for how humans and machines will work together. joining us now is the director of darpa. great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. emily: we always talk about darpa in reference to self driving cars. you do so much more. talk to me about the most exciting project. >> there are so many. the self driving ship is a great one. a decade ago we read of being competition and asked people if they could build a car that could complete a course without a human being driving it. if you want to find people who won that competition will find them out driving it commercially and all the companies that are going after that. meanwhile, we are off to the next set of challenges. one of the things we are doing, we just christened a few months ago a self driving ship that is large enough and capable enoug

the name of the and competition was the darpa urban challenge. the intent was vehicles that drive themselves without anybody in the car, they need to drive for about 60 miles in fewer than six hours driving in an urban-like setting with other self-driving vehicles as well as human-driven vehicles and following the same rules of the road that you and i have to follow on a daily basis. so more that competition gm became our biggest partner and sponsor. we had about 23 other sponsors as well, but gm was the biggest of them. because we already had a very strong working relationship with gm, i became an integral part of the team from cmu that worked on our vehicle which ended up winning the competition as well, a $2 million prize. so that's how i got into automated vehicles. and when our team from carnegie mellon won the competition, gm who was the biggest sponsor said, hey, our team actually sponsored the winning team, and they said because it's about urban driving, it leery has implications -- clearly has implications to the passenger/consumer marke

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. >> martin, some of our viewers might be familiar with darpa's cyber grand challenge, basically a challengey put out there for hackers to create code that could search for vulnerabilities, find and patch it on its own, artificial intelligence. how long before you feel artificial intelligence is going to have a real impact in the world of hacking, whether on the defensive side or perhaps even seeing ai-type attacks coming from abroad? >> those are long-term projects, so it will take a long time before they are at fall scale, butitis very important that we pursue those innovations and see how fast we can move forward because ultimately they there will be so many computers, so many computer systems that we need to have other computer systems policing them and finding tfind ing the vulnerabilities. >> finally, martin, whenever we talk tech we always mention that government or public sector is notoriously late to adopting new practices and new technologies. is that the case here? >> no. this is the opposite. if you look at hack the pentagon, the program we run in the spring, 1,400 vetted hackers

and darpa commission a fully anonymous cyber bad competition. these are just a few of the headlines that highlight the role in increasing will of economy in the military. the second panel will take an international perspective on what a ton and count economy me in military operations. as damage my name is david bromley, a professor and director of cu need security and privacy institute. i consider myself a hacker as i run this hacking came to me people have talked about. my job for the next administered to give a high level overview of the issue and why it's so exciting, why to time and what it's important to gaps of the right. this panels issue in a nutshell is countries around the world including the u.s., russia, israel, china, india, are increasingly deploying and investing in artificial intelligence and autonomy technology in their operations. autonomous technology once the work of science fiction is here today. for example, in pittsburgh you can use your uber app to summon a completely a eponymous vehicle to take you home from a steelers g

projects agency, the research arm of the us military and also competition, they wanted to accomplish the darpaban challenge, for vehicles that drive themselves so that anybody in the car willing to drive for about 16 months in fewer than six hours,driving in urban like setting , in traction with other self driving vehicles as well as human vehicles and following the same rules of the road that you and i have to follow on a daily basis so for that competition, gm came our biggest partner and sponsor. we had others workers as well but gm was the biggest of them so because i had already had a strong working relationship with gm, i became an integral part of the team from cmu that worked on a vehicle which ended up winning the competition as well, $2 million prize so that's how i got into automated vehicles and when our team from carnegie mellon on the competition, gm which was the biggest portion of the team said i want to sponsor the winning team and they said because it's uprising driving it clearly has implications for the passenger consumer vehicle market and that started a second lab on camp

. >> i don't think it's a physical parallel internet, but something that darpa, which helped create theginal arpa internet, which created clean slate, you can have a part of the internet, a set of protocols, in which not only do you know where the packets are going to but you know where the packets came from. that's one of the genetic flaws built into the original internet in the 1970s. you never know where the packets are coming from you can be anonymous, a hacker, a bot. if you had internet with secure i.d. verification, authentication, costs a lot of money, but nowadays we're spending trillions of dollars, and if you hang around m.i.t., the iq point the being allocated to cybersecurity, we ought to reduce that. >> when you conceived of this event with folks what is it that you want to get out of it? you put government people together with business people in a way that's unique. >> what happened is coming out of some of the events we had been doing in aspen, people like lisa monaco, the president's assistant for homeland security, people like admiral rogers and others involved in cybe