it's not darpa's fault. there's been a change in the relationship between the pentagon and science industry, used to be the chief technologist, the was the number three position in the pentagon. now it's well below that. they're trying redo it now. eisenhower, for example, he really relied on his scientific advisers on creating darpa and creating a nasa, which direction to go. in scientists don't have that influence on the administration, predating the current administration. i don't think scienced a viewsers have been as important in recent areas. the big question is if darpa is to be important again, swone white house or the pentagon leadership has to decide, we have this problem and we need darpa to solve it. in to iraq war and afghan war when roadside bombs, and ids became a big problem think crated a new agency and spent billions off dollars. people said that -- darpa doesn't do that. they do future science and technology and that's untrue. in she vietnam war they were the agency. it rae create itself a

dave doorman is project manager at darpa, secret defense department agency trying to keep the countryats. >> is ability to manipulate video a threat to national security? >> i think absolutely. very important national, national security concern. >> it can cause unrest. riots. nation states. could even act on some of this stuff. >> at darpa, doorman put us in a conference room, confiscated our phones for security. we then took a look at software he is devil offing to identify the new jen ration of fact news. >> fairly hard to tell what was manipulated in this image. if i've go to the next slide here it will half a transition it is showing you the process. bright red means the car is not really there. >> let me go on to something more complex here. >> in the course of human events. >> the blue line is audio of the first speaker. and then a text there was a second speaker. >> connected them with another. among the powers of the earth. >> detecting the changes there. >> detecting the changes. my vision ties have a pre grogr every image. video posted to social media site go through the pro

david doermann is project manager at darpa.t's the secret defense tepartment agency trying to keep the country a step ahead of cyber threats. is the ability to manipulate video a threat to national security? >> i think absolutely. i think that's a very important national security concern. it can cause unrest. it can cause riots. other nation states could even act on some of this stuff. >> reporter: at darpa, doermann put us in a conference room and confiscated our phones for security. we then took a look at the hftware he's developing to identify the new generation of fake news. >> it's fairly hard to tell what was manipulated in this particular image. and if i go to the next slide here, it's got have a transition where it's showing you the process. >> reporter: the bright red means the car is not really there. >> so let me go on to something that's a little more complex here. >> when in the course of human events... >> the blue line here is the audio of the first speaker, and r.en it detects that there was a second speaker. >>

>> we have a number of collaborations with the darpa.in fact, a few and we continue to over the years. they have different kind of a mandate. they come in very, very high risk, bravery high reward. if it doesn't succeed right away, boom, you are done, you out. we do more in the long range one. >> didon you think in other qui, look, here's a first response and then you guys -- >> it goes both ways. we do some of the fundamental basic research, discoveries that darpa used to use their quick fix that the we take some of the quick fix stuff and implement. it's a pretty good arrangement. [inaudible] >> any particular area you all are working on now? >> not really. iog mean, i can what i will respond. [inaudible] >> we are consistent, yes. >> thank you. just to follow up on what you told shannon about access and accessibility, but i would look at more effective seasonal flu vaccines or universal flu vaccine? aree you confident that those will continue to be affordable like our current vaccines are? the administration talks about the shift towa

. >> reporter: dave doermann is project manager at darpa. it's the secret defense department agency trying to keep the country a step ahead of cyber threats. is the ability to manipulate video a threat to national security? >> i think absolutely. i think that's a very important national security concern. it can cause unrest. it can cause riots. other nation states could even act on some of this stuff. >> reporter: at darpa doermann put us in a conference room and confiscated our phones for security. we then took a look at the software he's developing to identify the new generation of fake news. >> it's fairly hard to tell what was manipulated in this particular image. and if i go to the next slide here it's going to have a transition where it's showing you the process. >> reporter: the bright red means the car is not really there. >> so let me go on to something that's a little more complex here. >> when in the course of human events -- >> the blue line here is the audio of the first speaker. and then it detects that there was a second speak

there's an incredible program that darpa ran a couple years ago called the cyber grand challenge. it brought competitors to build computers to scan software of its own for vulnerability that could be hacked or patched. they competed in a tournament to find these things. they're now at the level where they're not as good as the top human hackers but there in the top 20 which is pretty good. that's enough to have a lot of value in the pentagon is already deploying this software to patch it up. all of these things are not intelligent like us. they don't understand the broader context. whether being used in the way their intended, but if the environment changes they're not prepared they can't see the bigger picture. c can build these things that work well and do what they were taught to do but if the situation changes they don't understand the war has ended her that maybe the environment has changed. >> so in your book you do a balance job of talking about the reasons why we may want to leverage ai and the fears that we have. what is the moral issue that's at the heart of all of this?

there's an incredible program that darpa ran a couple years ago called the cyber grand challenge. it brought competitors to build computers to scan software of its own for vulnerability that could be hacked or patched. they competed in a tournament to find these things. they're now at the level where they're not as good as the top human hackers but there in the top 20 which is pretty good. that's enough to have a lot of value in the pentagon is already deploying this software to patch it up. all of these things are not intelligent like us. they don't understand the broader context. whether being used in the way their intended, but if the environment changes they're not prepared they can't see the bigger picture. c can build these things that work well and do what they were taught to do but if the situation changes they don't understand the war has ended her that maybe the environment has changed. >> so in your book you do a balance job of talking about the reasons why we may want to leverage ai and the fears that we have. what is the moral issue that's at the heart of all of this?

. >> reporter: here at darpa the secret of department of defense agency that helps to develop siri and driverless calls, dr. david dorman is running a new program to fight against fabricated news saying it's being produced all around the world. they're building new software and artificial intelligence that allow government agencies and tech companies to scan any image to see if it's been altered. >> you might be able to look at the shadows here. >> reporter: like this photo where a plane was added. the program scans it and detect the doctoring with a heat map. this airplane has been placed in this photo. >> it's been spliced. >> reporter: the goal develop technology for the u.s. government along with facebook, google and other tech companies that will be ready in a matter of two years. how quickly can you figure this out with your machine learning that there's something wrong here? >> some of the indicators work in fractions of a second, some take ten, 15 seconds. >> moving forward we need to be more vigilant with what we trust from the internet. >> reporter: making sure if you see it

. >> here at darpa, people who helped to create siri and driverless cars, he's run agnew program to fightbricated news saying it's being produced all around the world. that are building new software and artificial intelligence that'll allow governments and tech agencies to scan any information -- like this photo where a plane was added. it's scanned and detected with a heat map. >> this airplane has been placed into this photo? >> it's call splice where you take something and place it into a different photo. >> facebook and google and other tech companies will be ready in a matter of two years. >> how quickly can you figure this out with your machine learn that there's something wrong here? >> some indicators work in fractions of second, some take ten, 15 seconds. >> moving forward we need to be more vigilant than what we trust from the internet. >> making sure thank you see it john loan you can believe it. jo ling kent, arlington, virginia. >>> the san francisco north carolinas, after being deployed for six months, tomas has made it back home. his family was on a tour of the stade judgme

in from external investors all of them were connected to in various ways very closely connected to darpa for example the defense advanced research projects agency and several other pentagon agencies they had they had ties to companies that received lots of funding from them and they had that sort of history so was quite interesting is that that alignment with that part of the us military intelligence community was was very early on. founding and this is not particularly unusual i mean this is quite a normal thing to see. them and so the us military intelligence community playing a very big role in all sorts of things in silicon valley that's not particularly amazing to hear i think what is interesting is how closely involved they were in google far more closely then in relation to facebook where we know facebook again there's no direct connection i would say with the with the cia for example that we see with google where we have some very clear documentary evidence of a direct connection of some thought with facebook it was a lot more it again in direct in the way in a similar way that w

of the company it's on darpa he was briefed about google's electronic cloud technology and automatic learning as well as ways to incorporate cyber security and according to reports the meetings are all part of a bigger plan to transform his kingdom into a tech and logistics hub in the middle east during the trip the saudis signed a cloud computing contract with google however the financial terms were not disclosed reporting in new york trinity chavez r.t. . we're going to squeeze in a quick break here. stay with us because when we return mick mulvaney has not burned down the consumer financial protection bureau but he's done a heck a lot of damage bartlett nailer public citizen gives us his reaction he was there at the hearings this week mr ball baby steps to testify twice for the house and the senate plus an author and commentator steve keen joys look from london with the latest on the u.k. and e.u. trading relationship as we go to break here are the numbers at the closing bell blitzkrieg action today on the numbers board with the red arrows for the dow nasdaq and s. and p. while po

oxford, how are they coordinating research and development and development including darpa and the labs. >> a couple of things. i have a working agreement now with steve walker, the director of ddrpa. we're now a transition partner as he gets to a certain phase and we take them on and get them into the field. we show the undersecretary some of those yesterday. regarding the national labs, i hosted ten labs recently. figure out working with the dod leadership and the nsa leadership how to gain access to those laboratories in the way that meet the solution space. a member of the executive committee under mr. griffin, he meets with his seniors on a quarterly basis as well. we have a great connectivity into his chain. >> thank you. i believe a whole is support strategy. can you please describe your work with other asys to achieve your objectives and how is undersourcing and marginalizing other federal agencies affected the earth? >> to your point, congressman, it's a whole of government effort. the development on the part of adversaries or potential adversaries, many of those interdictions,

i'm going to get that from darpa. i will get that from on are.>> okay. >> the one thing i would add to that, building on heather's point, it's fundamental if it's for a product versus the talent. if you look at ai in particular, what you can map out as a function of compute resources and talent. the algorithms are awash. they're usually open sourced. china and the u.s., neither of us will have an advantage. china probably has an advantage in data for a whole host of reasons that i won't get into. they also are pulling ahead in terms of their compute resources. the only advantage they did the u.s. has in the game right now is talent. to the extent that they are funding the companies to acquire talent is something we need to think really hard about. one example that immediately comes to mind is engineering. to go from google 2 x 2. i imagine they got a large amount of funding while he was a stanford. the complicated further, we needed not just focus on technology, but the talent itself. >> on the talent side, with the c

. >> reporter: here at darpa that helps develop siri and driverless cars -- >> i'll play this. >> reporter: this doctor is running a new program to fight against fabricated news saying it's being produced all around the world. they're building new software and artificial intelligence that will allow government agencies and tech companies to scan any image to see if it's been altered. >> you might be able to look at the shadows here. >> reporter: like this photo where a plane was added. the program scans it and detects the doctors with a heat map. to this naked eye, this airplane is placed in the photo? >> it's a splice. >> reporter: the goal, develop technology for the u.s. government along with facebook, google and other tech companies that will be ready in a matter of two years. how quickly can you figure this out with your machine learning that there's something wrong here? >> some indicators work in fractions of seconds, some take ten, 15 seconds. moving forward we need to be more vigilant with what we trust from the internet. >> reporter: making sure if you see it online you can reall

i'm going to get that from darpa. i'm going to get that from others. >> okay. go ahead. >> the one thing i would add to that, building on one of heather's points, it's fundamentally different when the tech investment is for the product versus a talent. and if you look at ai in particular, which you can map out as a function of again algorithm, data, compute resources and talent. algorithms are a wash because most of them are open source. so china and u.s., neither is going to have an advantage. china probably has an advantage in data for a whole host of reasons i won't get into. they also are at parity or maybe pulling an ahead in terms of their compute resources. only advantage that the u.s. has in this game right now is talent. and so to the extent they are funding our companies to acquire or absorb talent is something that we need to think really hard about. the one example that immediately comes to mind is andrew ink and going from google to bidu. >> stanford. >> stanford. so i would imagine he got a fair amount of government funding while he was at stanfor

government through various types of grants so everything about sbir's and getting money from darpa, a srl, army research lab, there's so much money from these labs going into university labs that prop up the kernels of these ideas and then they get to a patentable technology and they patent it and they form a really small startup and they go out and seek support to do their startup. if you're going all the way from the generation of the idea which is funded by the united states government all way down to the investment of series a, then you have to say okay, maybe have a series a in a series b and all of a sudden by the time you get down to see, you have external investors that you didn't plan on having your portfolio to prop up your technology. you start investing, maybe being open to other types of investors and that entire patchwork of how an idea gets funded and generated all the way to where it gets an ipo and then thinking about how to market and now i need to go into a space that has more market like china or asia and i have to has tech transfer. this is such a bees nest, a bee

seedlingse of darpa and sbir programs and other innovative ways is to see if they're good. how to get the good ones through the valley of death, this is a long held problem. i don't know that i know yet. i recognize it as a problem. like an idea, how do we find a champion for it to move it into prototyping and eventually production? i don't know yet. i would be more than willing to have said justin on that point. what we can do when something works to move it along. i'm sorry to go limp on you. i just don't know. if i thought i knew, i would not keep it a secret. one more question. >> justin doubleday with insight defense. yesterday, secretary mattis mentioned that you would be setting joint program offices for hypersonics and the first thing you hear when you hear that is five-35, what is your vision for the jpo's? michael: i think the secretary was speaking loosely. if you will pardon me, it is a specific term of art that relates to specific legal bureaucratic creation. i don't know -- in fact, i doubt that is exactly what we are going to do. the secretary did say, and if

. >> reporter: at darpa, he put us in a conference room. >> it's fairly hard to tell what was manipulatedis particular image. when i go to the next slide, it ooh going to show you the process. >> the bright red means the car is not really there. >> in the course of human events -- the blue line is the audio of the first speaker and then it detects there's a second speaker. >> so it's detecting the changes the there. >> it's detecting the challenge. my plan is to have every social media site go through this process. >> for "cbs this morning," carter evans, los angeles. >> i'm thinking about the next election. >> once you see it, you can't unsee it. >> it's a new level of fake news. >> this is, however, me speaking and no one else. up next, this morning's other headlines including drought ♪ the 2018 camry. toyota. let's go places. we are the millions. the millions of weight watchers members on the all-new freestyle program. we've got the freedom to dine out and to dig in! the freedom to work it, win it, shake it, and sauté it. and with over 200 foods that are zero points®, we're free to los

he directed darpa 2006 until 2008. he's authored or co-authored almost 100 peer-reviewed scientific publications and holds patents on a number of biomedical inventions. he holds a bachelor's degree in biology from harvard and a medical degree from the university of texas southwestern medical center in dallas. i am grateful and i know all members of this committee, this committee will be the first congressional committee to hear from him and his capacity as senior advisor to the secretary and vital health and opiate policy. i'm also delighted to have cms can the brandt appeared before the committee. i was going to say we use to refer to cms, but she has certainly done best to make its cms. we'll forget about that remark. kim also has a lengthy list of credentials. she is currently serving as the deputy administrator for operations of the center for medicaid and medicaid services. prior to that she was here with all of us serving as the chief oversight council and the majority staff in 2011 to 2017. prior to that was sen

he was ceo of texas a&m's health science center from 2013 and 15, darpa from 2060 2008. he has authored or co-authored 100 peer-reviewed scientific publications and holds patents on a number of biomedical inventions. he holds a bachelor's degree in biology from harvard and a medical degree from the university of texas southwestern medical center in dallas. i'm grateful and i know all members of this committee, this will be the first congressional committee will be the first to hear from him in his capacity as senior adviser to the secretary on mental health and opiate policy. i am also delighted to have cms's kim brandt appear before the committee. i was going to say that we used to refer to cms as its a mess, but she has done her best to make it cms, so we will forget about that remark. she is currently serving as the principal deputy administrator or operations centers for medicaid and medicaid services. prior to that she was here with all of us serving as the chief oversight council on the majority staff from 2011 to 2017 after working for seven years as a cms directo