>> i think one reason is darrell gates had civil service protection. he was untouchable. he operated like a jay edgar hoover. he could thumb his nose at all of the da. that seeped like some of the issues there but frankly, gates could just basically thumb his nose. >> he could thumb his nose, but how could he thumb his nose at the city council? >> tavis, i have very vivid memories. i remember going to temergency operations center and realizing that the technology was really out of date. and they were using post it notes because there was no technology to know what was going on. and it was not just the technology, but the political structure was out of touch with the reality of what was going on out there in the city. so even though the diversity of l.a. was growing. even though there was some minority voices better represented on the city council, that didn't change the basic power relationship. the fact that the police department was a separate political force. the police was not under the control of the mayor, and politics as usual in l.a. back in the 1990s could go on a