. >> ron: we had darren beckon not along ago and one of his employees who had a criminal cord and they didn't same concerned about that eititr way. are you finding a lot of employers are concerned about that initial activity, saying do you have a criminal record and how it might eliminate you from the process ight away. it's certainly unfair. >> i'm a former h.r. manager, in my world, i had -- had ban the box and as we were looking at things, we really did take that -- didn' take that that into csiderati, are there a lot of people concerned in the cedar valley and a lot is because of lack of education. >> ron: i know the alliance came out recently, do you know -- are you working with them what they're feelings are. >> yes, we -- everybody is looking -- he came to the city council meeting and spoke on the entire constituents, associated with the chamber. but i think they started off i think what they sent to its membership, we were proposing a ban that prohibited employers om even asking the question but that's untrue. we have the opportunity to set the record straight and we want to co