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darren jones. what on earth were you talking about in that secret recording?t was a coffee morning in my constituency. >> the tory party or the telegraph are very welcome to come to. >> i was setting out what the private sector is going to invest in their own businesses invest in their own businesses in order to get to net zero by 2050. >> and for example, the energy sector. it's based on independent evidence from the likes of the committee on climate change. and it's also what the private sector and private sector investors tell us they want to do. there's no secret plan about unlocking investment in britain. it is a promise from the labour party. if we win the election next thursday, £28 billion was a tiny amount. >> you record that you were recorded as saying you need hundreds of billions of pounds. some of that is public subsidy. are you not telling the whole truth about your green plan? >> so i was pointing out that the 28 billion was small, in contrast to the amount that the private sector is going to invest in their own infrastructure. and we had to rep

darren jones is with me now darren jones thank you for joining us tonight on gb news.ing to rack up taxes. nope >> she's wrong. >> she's wrong. >> we've been very clear. >> we've been very clear. >> there's a triple lock promise we will not increase income tax, national insurance or vat if we're elected on july the 4th for the course of the next parliament. and everything in our manifesto today is fully funded and fully costed. >> what this is from penny mordaunt and the conservatives is desperation because of where they're performing in this election. >> whereas what you saw from angela rayner, our deputy leader in the labour party, was our ambitious plan for growth, that we're ready to deliver and we want to bring that change to the country on july the 4th. >> should i list all the other taxes you haven't mentioned yet? then shall i do it? i mean, capital gains tax. so it goes on stamp duty all the other measures. you might lift your sin taxes. and so it goes on. are they all going to be left alone too? >> well, next time you should bnng >> well, next time you should

i'm now joined by darren jones who's the shadow chief secretary to the treasury. creation, a new labour scheme, 650,000 new jobs. but before that, if i may, i'd like to ask for some reaction to nigel farage's announcement. the reform manifesto pledged the contract with the voters earlier and specifically darren. he said he chose wales because it exemplifies what the country the rest of the country could look like if the labour party gets into power. and he mentioned in wales council taxes higher about £500 per household, higher spending per capita is higher. nhs waiting times are 50% longer. education wales is behind on every subject. you even have 20 mile an hour speed limits. nigel farage used wales as an example of what britain would look like under labour. what's your response? >> well , i what's your response? >> well, i mean, good to be with you, look, we should look at the reform manifesto for what it is. >> and it's largely fictitious. the independent economists have pointed out today, as you've just heard there from, chris, that it's entirely unfunded. it

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darren jones, chief secretary of the treasury, normally seen as a safe pair of hands, telegraph have where he's telling his constituents actually the cost of decarbonising the economy. the race to zero net by 2030 is going to cost hundreds of billions of pounds. well, they haven't told us that before. is this is this this is the real truth, isn't it, jeff? if we're going to go for this green dash, it's going to cost everybody watching this programme and listening a lot of money. >> but what darren jones was referring to was the way in which government has to stimulate investment from the private sector . so that huge private sector. so that huge number is talking about is the required investment from private enterprise , looking at the enterprise, looking at the opportunities, what if you don't get it? well that's something that we will have to deal with. >> well that's a big if isn't it. >> well it's an if but i've been at this game long enough to know that i shouldn't deal with those kinds of questions. what i think is important about what he was saying is that it will be a partner

and i'm joined now by darren jones, who's the shadow chief secretary to the treasury. speech there from rachel reeves calling rishi sunak manifesto a desperate wish list 26 increases in taxes , £71 billion of in taxes, £71 billion of increased borrowing. she claimed , will lead to £4,800 on every single person's mortgage. is that figure true, or is that yet more lies, damn lies and statistics . statistics. >> well good afternoon. i mean, it's true. >> on the basis of the conservative party manifesto that was published today, the conservatives had the chance to set out how they were going to fund their policies in their manifesto today, and they haven't even tried to be frank. >> i mean, that's why we've said it's the most expensive panic attack in political history, because there are tens and tens of billions of pounds of unfunded spending commitments. >> they've not said how they're going to pay for that with any confidence whatsoever. >> and so we can only assume they will pay for it through additional borrowing. and that has implications on interest rates and mortgag

laura saunders, who's fighting darren jones, a labour frontbencher who he had a majority of 5600.inally said that we are going to withdraw support from these two candidates. that showed an attempt , to get ahead of the attempt, to get ahead of the curve because i was up with rishi sunak in in scotland yesterday, he answered six questions from the press with, with him, and i was one of them. five of them were about why you're not taking a firmer action with this betting scandal. so he's trying to do this. he can't he can't really pressure the gambling commission to go any further or go quicker because it's independent. so he's done what he can as, as tory leader. and that makes some sense because he's trying to get this, get past this , stopping us this, get past this, stopping us about betting and try and win these votes ahead of polling day next thursday. separate to that, we've heard from the met police. they say that they've heard from the gambling gambling commission that five met police officers may have put money on the date of the of the general election. the surprise date,

darren jones has described the 28 billion that was scrapped from labour's green investment plan as atment plan as a tiny amount in a recording that was leaked to the telegraph. >> we're still absolutely committed to it. it's still one of the top five priorities and it's going to be a huge amount of effort to get there, but we'll have to move quite quickly. but a lot of the coverage in the news was about that specific 28, which, because journalists like conflict made it sound as if we basically junked the whole thing. but we definitely have, because some people say that like 28 billion isn't enough. no. it's tiny. i've got to be worth hundreds of billions of pounds. we need , billions of pounds. we need, hundreds of millions of pounds , apparently. >> well, as i discussed last week with the former environment secretary, george eustice, the institute for government has projected the total cost of achieving net zero by 2050 will be £1.4 trillion, but the savings from the transition will equate to 1.1 trillion. if you take one from the other. the total cost of net zero is on that calcula

this was shadow chief secretary to the treasury, darren jones last week. >> well, the conservative partyber of policies in this first week of the general election campaign, which is over £70 billion of unfunded spending commitments , very spending commitments, very tenuous claims. >> they're being made by the shadow chief secretary . but shadow chief secretary. but since repeated by shadow cabinet colleagues . yet, just as with colleagues. yet, just as with the tories costing labour before their manifesto is published, this is labour doing precisely the same thing . the tories are the same thing. the tories are yet to publish their manifesto too, so to try and clear up this almighty mess, i spoke to the city minister, bim afolami, earlier this evening . city minister, bim afolami, earlier this evening. bim afolami treasury minister, there's been a lot now today about the issue of costings about the issue of costings about the issue of costings about the issue of tax. the labour party is accusing accusing you of lying . accusing you of lying. >> well, i'm afraid we're not lying. we're bei

i think darren jones is spot on.n to run the economy, in a much better , much stronger in a much better, much stronger way. yes. they will have to raise some taxes that they're not talking about. i think let's be honest, inheritance tax is probably going to have to change. i think capital gains tax is going to have to change. but in terms of the taxes that most of us, most people who are watching this program day to day pay ' watching this program day to day pay , there's been a cast iron pay, there's been a cast iron commitment not to raise them. >> but all this sort of like, you know, the non—doms, the vat on private schools. i mean, that several studies have proven that they are not going to make enough money. no, they need they're not. so someone along they're not. so someone along the line is not being completely honest about where this money is coming from. >> i personally, as somebody who thinks a labour government is exactly what we need and is the right thing to do in a week's time, i would have preferred la

now, this is a guy called darren jones, the shadow chief secretary to the treasury, who was caught iney trap. he was caught on a leaked audio talking about how much it would cost . about how much it would cost. and, you know, there was this 28 billion figure that got rolled back and then there was this 4.7 billion. but he said he said even 28 billion was tiny. he said, oh no, it's tiny. hundreds of billions of pounds is what we need. so the accusation is that actually labour, as i've already said in earlier stories, are actually going to do radical net zero things once they get in and they're going to cost hundreds of billions and they're just not telling you , because why would telling you, because why would they tell you about their evil schemes and why do these audios always leak? >> why do the whatsapps always leak? i mean, what's the point? >> i think if it's if it's something as , as, you know, jaw something as, as, you know, jaw dropping as this, you know, there's going to be somebody in that whatsapp chat is going to be like, whoa, the citizens need to know before they condemn

but shadow chief secretary to the treasury darren jones told gb news labour has a plan for the economy can trust. >> the labour party has been ahead of the conservative party for being the most trusted party on the economy, and that our shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, has been leading conservative chancellor jeremy hunt as the person most capable of stewarding the economy. going forward. so the labour party has a stronger , relationship with a stronger, relationship with the public today than any other party about managing the economy and making sure that taxpayers money is used well. and of course, we will make sure that's the case if we win the election next week by delivering that in office. >> but education secretary gillian keegan told gb news the situation with spiking mortgage rates is the same all over the world. >> mortgage rates and interest rates have gone up all over the world as a result, largely of the invasion of ukraine, which really spiked energy prices, which spiked inflation, and bank rates and interest rates are unked rates and interest rates are linked very, very

a leaked recording has emerged of shadow chief secretary to the treasury darren jones saying reaching of pounds, and junior doctors in england are demanding a 35% pay rise and sir keir starmer says they'll talk to them on day one of a labour government. so will unions have sir keir over a barrel and demand their pound of flesh under a labour government? well to discuss these weighty topics, i'm now joined by the former labour mp, lord walney. welcome to the show, lord walney. always a delight to have your company. this election campaign has been typified by a lack of cross examination, a lack of analysis , examination, a lack of analysis, oftentimes of labour policy, because there have been so many tory mishaps, so many scandals going on. have we taken our eye off the ball that on key issues, as those i just outlined, we might not be getting a full picture of what we expect under the labour party. a lot of people fear that we might have socialism in disguise . do you socialism in disguise. do you think that's going to happen? >> i think there has been a reasonable level of scrutiny, b

what darren jones was firstly, that's not true.it is untrue and the reason you can trust what we say on green energy as well as everything else is because people have seen in the run—up to this election, labour have made difficult choices, tough choices, sometimes saying things to our side they don't want to hear, so i can say to your viewers that every policy is fully costed and funded.— viewers that every policy is fully costed and funded. here is a plague on both of your _ costed and funded. here is a plague on both of your houses, both - costed and funded. here is a plague on both of your houses, both of you j on both of your houses, both of you are involved in health and you know that poverty is one of the biggest drivers of ill—health. neither labour nor tory are prepared to take the cap off on two child benefit. that is something that would solve part of the poverty problem and yet neither of you is prepared to countenance taking the cap off the two child benefit to allow support for other children. why not? our manifesto co

leaked audio this week from darren jones , the this week from darren jones, the shadow chief secretaryll actually need hundreds of billions of pounds per year to hit those targets, and many people feel this could be one of the hidden taxes we might get under a labour government. billions of pounds to hit net zero targets. it will make all of us net poorer. >> well, that's not the case. i can reassure all of your viewers, we will need to be spending money on the decarbonisation process. that is true. but the vast majority of that money will be spent by private companies and investors who own the businesses and run the industry. that needs to decarbonise. so when i talk, as i do all the time to different industries, whether it's those that are at the forefront of all those new renewable energies or whether it's our existing industry who know that they need to decarbonise and are thinking about how they do that, what they want from government is a couple of things. they want stability, they want certainty, a plan. so they know that government is interested in supporting , for example, sup

last week i asked their shadow chief secretary to the treasury darren jones about this. to be what people expect from any party trying to form the government at this election. and, look, would i like the economy to be in a better position? of course i would. would i like a labour government to be coming into a country where we've got plenty of tax revenues to be able to spend on all the things that we would like to do as the labour movement? of course i would. of course i would. but the fact of the matter is that we will unherit the worst financial situation that a party has inherited since the second world war, we are going to have to do the hard yards to turn that around, and that means that, yes, we have got those six steps that we want to get started with immediately, but it will take some time to turn the country around. i think the people at home recognise the fact that we can'tjust click our finger and change that immediately on day one. our plan for change today and our manifesto sets out how we are going do that. yeah, i'm sure voters do recognise that, and they

and so is darren jones, who's shadow chief secretary to the treasury.e that rachel reeves is the person they trust, given that she'll be chancellor. will it be inheritance tax, though? because i know that a former aide, or indeed a current aide of sir keir starmer liked a tweet saying that this was a sensible levy to increase . sensible levy to increase. >> no, no, look, the argument we're making is we are going to grow the economy and that is going to give people the living standards. they said if the economy had grown in the last 14 years even remotely like it did under the last labour government, there would be billions of pounds of money being spent on public services today without any increase in those headline rates of tax. so let's not talk about decline, stagnation, the chaos we've seen for 14 years. let's look for something better. the practical measures in labour's manifesto, where that is economic stability, to not repeat that disgrace of a situation we saw with liz truss, whether it is having an industrial strategy or reforming planning. so

butjust to press you on this point, because a few months ago the shadow chief secretary, darren joness that the kind of number you mean? 200,000. so is that the kind of numberyou mean? i 200,000. so is that the kind of number you mean? i understand the auestion number you mean? i understand the question and — number you mean? i understand the question and i _ number you mean? i understand the question and i know _ number you mean? i understand the question and i know that _ number you mean? i understand the question and i know that you - number you mean? i understand the question and i know that you are i question and i know that you are effectively trying to suggest i set a target or a broad target, i am not going to do that. we are going to be clear, net migration must come down, we believe it is really important and what keir has set out is a commitment that we will bring net migration down. butjust to go to the heart of what we would do, to give you a sense of the differences that we would make, engineering visas have doubled in the last few years, engineering apprenticeships have

and they are caroline gooch, lib dem, darren jones , labour. scarlett jones, labour.y page, green party ben smith , page, green party ben smith, social democratic party. >> up next, we're going to go over to ascot for all of fancy outfits in the here with britain's newsroom on gb news. >> well, it's used to be called ladies day at royal ascot, but where can it continue to call it ladies day? glamorous, of course i >> -- >> that's lam >> that's right. attendees will include celebrities and members of the royal family showing off their high fashion outfits . their high fashion outfits. talking of which, here is our royal correspondent cameron walker. oh, cameron, you look lovely in your top hat . lovely in your top hat. >> thank you very much, bev. yes, it used to be called ladies day . now gold yes, it used to be called ladies day. now gold cup yes, it used to be called ladies day . now gold cup day. yes, it used to be called ladies day. now gold cup day. but we're still going to call it ladies day. as you said. and there are so many amazing outfits here today. so many

darren jones is the shadow chief secretary to the treasury, wants to take on anybody from the tory partyet the result. they want another debate. it's like brexit. >> well another debate. wouldn't be a bad idea. but as you and i discussed yesterday , i actually discussed yesterday, i actually think the really exciting debate would be, nigel farage and or richard tice versus, both of them because, as robert buckland was saying earlier on on gb news, we got quite close to the ideology of the thing, last night and the institute of fiscal studies, which is entirely impartial . entirely impartial. >> jul, has said whoever wins the general election is going to have to look at the level of taxation if they're going to keep the size of the state and the level of social services the same. whoever is in power is probably going to have to put taxes up. so if sir keir is saying, no, no, we won't have to put any taxes up at all. and rachel reeves had tried to say that on, on television earlier as well, and rishi sunak is saying there'll be no change in tax at all. i suspect that that is the area that

they've written to darren jones and the labour treasury team today saying this is not from the treasuryhe treasury but are political. well, i'm sorry, it is. i agree it is not a treasury approved statement. >> but what i don't understand, stephen, is why the leader of the opposition was. so you've useless not batting it away? >> no , i totally agree. the >> no, i totally agree. the point is, it's got on the front pages of all the papers this morning. this is the times labour accused on taxes. sunak comes out fighting. but if you look at the daily express, they actually got the figure £2,000. now, you know the old, saying that, you know, a lie goes around the world before the truth has got its boots on, so it doesn't really matter what the basis of this accusation was from cynical , from cynical. it from cynical, from cynical. it doesn't matter what the basis of the accusation is. rishi sunak now got it up there. and i can see people scratching their head. >> by the way, labour have put out a document saying that the tories are going to scrap inheritance tax. they've never said that. so

joining us today, science minister andrew griffith, shadow chief secretary to the treasury, darren jones, former conservative adviser henry newman, and ash sarkar. this is politics live, election 202a. welcome to viewers on bbc two, bbc iplayer, and bbc news, and very excitingly, from today, you can also listen to politics live on bbc sounds. yes, if you go to the bbc sounds. yes, if you go to the bbc sounds apt there is now an election 2024 pop—up. very useful if you decide you do need to walk the dog at 12:15pm but also don't like the thought of missing out on your daily dose of politics live. let's start with this headline in the daily telegraph. lots of stories reportedly who would like the former prime minister to play a more prominent role in the campaign, the sight of him knocking on doors appeals to some. my opening question to our panel, starting with andrew griffiths, is would you like to see borisjohnson back out on the campaign trail? to see boris johnson back out on the campaign trail?— campaign trail? goodness me, yes! this is a moment _ campaign trail? goodness me, yes! th

scarlett o'connor, reform uk darren jones, labour and mary page, greens and let's go for montgomeryshirevaughan, plaid cymru craig williams, conservatives oliver lewis, reform uk and stephen witherden, labour, jeremy northorpe, green party and of course , craig williams is and of course, craig williams is no longer the official candidate of the conservatives given the allegations around betting on the outcome of the election, it will say conservatives on the betting slip, but they have parted company for now. okay folks, lots more to get through. princess anne is still in hospital. is her condition more serious than previously thought? we'll find out next. >> this is gb news news. >> this is gb news news. >> and we are britain's election channel. >> this vote may seem to be about the politicians in the media, but it's actually about you. >> and we won't ever forget that. >> join us up and down the country as we follow every moment together. now more than even moment together. now more than ever, it's important to hear all sides as you make your decision ahead of polling day. >> we're her

we've heard from darren jones, he's the a senior shadow cabinet minister.the office for statistics regulation. they're saying that they're looking into into the presentation of this figure in that debate last night with rishi sunak in the itv debates, when he said it was produced by independent civil servants. the tories this lunchtime are doubling down on that figure, making very clear. it breaks down, it breaks down and is based on official most of it. virtually all of it is based on official treasury figures. in fact, they make clear they've hit a conservative figure, they haven't gone for the high or the low figure, just the figure in the middle on all those costings. and they are very clear that these numbers are correct. so i think it's a difficult day for labour. we are rowing about a figure and a tack figure produced by the tory party, written, done, worked on by officials and then produced last night, repeated ad infinitum by the prime minister infinitum by the prime minister in that debate and the labour's on somewhat on the back foot to try and d

revealed by darren jones, the shadow chief secretary to the treasury. of pounds 28 billion a yeah billions of pounds 28 billion a year. not enough. he's admitted that that's tiny. in fact, he said it's going to be hundreds of billions of pounds that we need. so can you lay out just how many hundreds we're talking about here? is that 200, 300, 400? >> the point that darren was making is that the answer to how we move to a position of decarbonising our economy, creating more jobs is through private investment, not just pubuc private investment, not just public money. so you can invest relatively modest sums of public money. and that brings in real returns where it comes to private companies. using that as a lever to deliver bigger private investment. we know that there are lots of companies that would relish the opportunity to invest directly in, for example, offshore wind to create jobs right across our country. so it's about how government can partner with business. yes, to manage our obligations , but also manage our obligations, but also to create mor

scarlett o'connor for reform uk, ben smith for the social democratic party, mary page for the greens, darren jonesour, caroline gooch for the lib dems and laura saunders for the conservatives. >> tom slater, thank you very much indeed. >> now throughout the campaign, we've been hearing from voters right across the country to get their thoughts on the big issues. >> so today we're going to hear from james hitchcock from wales. >> so i'm coming at this with a great interest in food, farming and nature , it's an issue that and nature, it's an issue that is hugely important to all of us. and the decisions that are made in the next five years really are going to have impact for the next 30 years and beyond. we've heard a lot of talk, and there's often a lot of hubns talk, and there's often a lot of hubris around food , food hubris around food, food security and how we should spend our money on supporting farming. it's particularly relevant here in mid wales because it's very rural, very rural economy. 90% of wales is farmed . and while of wales is farmed. and while it's true that wales has devolved dec

joining us today, science minister andrew griffith, shadow chief secretary to the treasury, darren jones

let's speak to shadow chief secretary to the treasury, darren jones. in circles, don't do? i suppose that's what you can expect from the conservative party, but the fact of the matter is that everyone knows the consequences of unfunded policies from the conservatives because liz of unfunded policies from the conservatives because liz truss did it. the conservatives because liz truss did it- they were _ conservatives because liz truss did it- they were in _ conservatives because liz truss did it. they were in government - conservatives because liz truss did it. they were in government when l it. they were in government when they did it and now interest rates have gone through the roof, rent went up from a first time buyers couldn't get their mortgages when they wanted to because interest rates spiralled. and it all came as a consequence of the conservatives being reckless with the economy. there is a direct link to their policies and family finances. more bi fiuures policies and family finances. more big figures for _ policies and family finances. more