is&with me is michael eric dyson, and retired nypd lieutenant, darren porcher. when you see that public defender out there, keeping the peace between protesters and police, you know, that's awesome citizenship. >> it's haeartwarming. and it's the best of our masculinity as black men, the best of our humanity as people and the best of our citizens. this is what angers so many african-american and latino american people, that there are so many more of him than there are people that would instigate or start people, yet their humanity is not respected. that young man that we are celebrating. that young man upon whom the camera is trained, that young man who exhibits so profound humanity is like so many millions more of us out there, and yet at any moment, they may be subjected to arbitrary will of a police person, who with one blow, with one shot, with one bullet, can end a life. and this is why it's so necessary for us to talk about this. now, we can train our cameras on the people who are out there now. whether they are violent or not. the reality is, they are rea

. >> joining me now, retired nypd lieutenant darren porcher. i want to go in reverse order and start with the situation now. what do you make of the way police are handling it? >> it's a combustible situation that police could have avoided. one of the key pum pocomponentse police were not in tune with the intel from the community. that's a significant componeabout in policing. 90% of policing is service related. 10% is enforcement. >> what does that mean, not in touch with intel from the community? >> they have to determine the pulse of where the community stanldz. if this was an aberration, you wouldn't have had the outcry that you have. however, apparently, this has been rumblings and overtones for a period of time that led up to this. this situation created the combustible instance that we have right now. >> are the rumblings or overt e overtones about race. the police officer who shot him was also african-american? >> i don't believe race is the issue here. i think that the police department should have gotten in front of this much earlier

. >> i want to bring in retired nypd darren porcher who is watching this along with us.n extremely, because it is such a fluid protest and at this point peaceful thankfully. it still has to be a big challenge for police to try to figure where they are going and how to respond. >> absolutely but the key in personnel. when we look at baltimore in connection with freddie gray, that was a teachable moment on a national level. one thing we have to take into consideration is how will law enforcement deploy the resources. if you notice on television you don't knee the national guard troops. the national guard troops are being positioned in the kplerl areas. high real estate areas so to speak. which occurred things like looting in baltimore. the state police are now being held what we reserved to as reserve and that is is going to be called upon by the local p.d. the chief of police for charlotte police department is the shot caller. he's going to direct and employ rurss. he's already been given that position by the governor. the charlotte police department has a list of agitato