area of dartford and kent. to me that's just riding roughshod over democracy andifs riding roughshod over democracy and it's taking democracy away from the people and that's the problem we've got at the moment. >> but thomas, it was the labour party. in fact, it was dame harriet harman who at the weekend said that the enemy of democracy is the reform party. but isn't it true to say that a bigger net deficit of democracy would be the conservative party? a lot of these a lot of these elections are in rural areas. conservative party might get the boots put into them. and isn't it funny? they've been conspicuous by their silence today on this. normally they they kick off at any opportunity about the devolution of power because it generally means more control of towns, more control of the provinces by the labour party. >> yeah. i mean, the problem we have at the moment in this county anyway, is the local building isn't going on and the tory rural areas, it's going on in built up areas like dartford and kent, where o