nermeen: that was daryl johnson speaking to democracy now! in in august 2012. ew york times" piece wednesday headlined, "for domestic hate, apply the vigor and strategy used for muslim terror," johnson wrote -- "domestic terrorism is the national security threat whose name we dare not speak. the numbers of both extremists and the radical movements that spur them to violence are soaring, and coalescing, in alarming ways. yet through reckless neglect at nearly all levels of government, domestic terrorism not tied to islam has become a cancer with no diagnosis or plan to address it." mike german, can you respond? >> i think there are a couple of issues. one, while the number of far right fatalities -- fratelli's is higher than any other group distal relatively small compared to the 14,000 murders that happen each year. we have to keep this in context. amy: and on that we could talk about gun violence, but we don't have time today. >> there is an issue in the study of terrorism like muslim -- amy: aren't they forced to revoke the study because there are such an outc