>> dasha: amongst minors. [ kseniia speaking russian ] >> dasha: it's like about anti-soviet propagandalook how many gay families we have with kids. and those people are in maximum stress right now because their families might be ruined. >> anthony: right. we rightly see this as outrageous. the russian public however? it's very likely a vote-getter; a cynical pandering to a powerful and enduring vein of deep seated homophobia that goes way, way back. what do you think the source of this hatred is? >> kseniia: it's not about russian orthodox church. >> anthony: okay. >> kseniia: it's about uh, political structure. it's about power. we have two russias. >> anthony: okay. what are they? >> kseniia: big. like a big bear. >> dasha: not very sophisticated and based on instincts country. >> anthony: okay. [ kseniia speaking russian ] >> dasha: and the other side is the country of intelligent people, of thoughtful people. >> anthony: a lot of these political leaders, are they using the issue of gay rights to appeal to a larger audience? >> kseniia: they try to play with bear. [ laughs ] >> anth