in the minutemen and later in firehose and charlotte caffey and jane wiedlin from the go-gos and dave alvin are all contributing to this, talking about their piece of that time. - right. - right. - right. - he is the logical heir to that, you would say. - yes, yeah. i mean, that east bay punk rock scene with lookout records and all that, they took a lot from the la sound. they took a lot from the la sound. and we're pragmatic, we want to appeal to other people. a lot more people know who green day is than know about the la punk rock scene. we did the book in that way because there's all these different stories and everybody has their own truth and even though i may really support and appreciate the fact that women were equal parts in the punk rock world. - for instance. - i can appreciate that. exene and i were partners, we were equal partners. i can't tell the story from that perspective. - well, in fact not everybody has the same perspective on it. i got the opportunity to interview kim gordon some time ago. kim gordon's version of where women fit into that conversation was not necessaril