i am dave asbin. welcome to forbes on fox. we'll go in focus with rick and john and elizabeth and steve; steve, are government subsidies a bad thing? >> absolutely, dave. it turned a catapult of college in an albatross. tuition is four times therate of inflation balse of subsidies and making killeds indentured -- kids indentured services. it is horrible. >> they come out of college with huge debts and can't get a job with a college degree. >> there is it a lot of things to be concerned about. i have to tell you, i find the question profoundly troubling. it leads to one answer. that is to say if you don't have money in the country, you shouldn't b able to go to college. how do you go to college if you don't have money? subsidies make money available for deserving killeds to go -- kids to go to school. >> if you can't get a job and end up with 20 or 30 or 40 thousand or more is it worth it? >> that is the same question that human resources departments are asked. do we want more experience in the workplace or blue-chip pen that is