howie: dave bossie, a trump advisor and head of citizens united and fox news contributor. ur view on the shakeup. the media narrative is this has been a mess. dave: it's the "new york times," the fake news division across america. dysfunctional and a mess is over the top. it's the sensationalism. in order to try to disparage this president, it's part of the element that got him elected in the first place. the american people don't believe it. they believe that it is fake news. they believe the american media now four stories on this and tell it the way they want to try to control -- when the president of the united states takes them on every day using his social media platform to tell the american people directly without the media, directly what he believes. howie: when a president six months into his term replaces the white house press secretary suggests there are problems that need to be fictions. dave: every president makes changes. it doesn't might's dysfunction. people serve at the disrecollection of the use the. it doesn't require catastrophe, it requires the presiden

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i don't think a lot of people know this, all the wack back to 2010, republican named dave bossy, becauseas thinking about running for president, only nobody believed them back then, all thought he was trying to goose his a ben franklin tans rating, brought bran on ban to his orbit. ban on had this nationalist anti-immigrant politics, appealed to trump. trump began testing it on the campaign trail, low and behold it turned out to be his ticket to the white house. >> a lot of talk about steve ban on, i shouldn't say during the campaign itself but after the election when he brought him into the white house. you have this guy who has a reputation for being what national, no beating around the bush there, but he built a very successful media empire, and you paint it as a doctor jeckle mr. hyde type of persona. how has that work for him? >> the way it works, ban on publisher every bright barton news, hard write conservative website, that drew in a lot of these forces, the right groups, became so prominent during the campaign, so on the one hand, real connection there, on the other hand, banon

mark: corey lewandowski and dave bossy from outside, they were traveling with the president this week and they're still very and there again, as john suggested, people who helped him win and a lot of like that when they face a crisis, they go back to people that helped him win. charlie: can he turn it around? mark: sure. there are a lot of second acts in american politics. the president's numbers have gotten substantially worse on of does donald trump care about people like you. one of the great numbers in american polling and it actually track with his approval number. he's not convincing people, tweeting and attacking sessions and doing things that don't affect the real lives of people directly. have a comeback, he'll have to convince people he cares about them. interveninge of an event which could happen, you know, some kind of natural things on the foreign stage. outside of them. stage, there's not an event you could see plausibly down the road that turn this around. there may be one but at the moment, the trajectory, it's very unlikely it seems to me that there would be repeal an

. >> tucker: dave bossi is the president of citizens united print he worked on the trump campaign.ome say he is an informal advisor to the president. still he won't can affirm or deny, but he joins us. how do you think that one? >> went very well today. i think he did a very good job. as a former chief investigator for one of the main congressional committees in the 90s when the clintons were under investigation, i wish we had people like jared kushner come forward. if you recall, they all disassembled, they'll try to hide behind the fifth amendment. hide behind document production, their lawyers. jared kushner volunteered, he came forward in a completely transparent way and told the committee today, the interests of the questions, obviously don't know what was asked, but he answer the questions and tomorrow he will do the same in the house. he divulged all the documents, and for what i've seen there are exculpatory emails and they're saying get me out of this crazy meeting. while that now infamous june meeting was happening and trump tower. there's going to be evidence that comes

nguyen called over donald trump and says hey i want you to meet my friend dave bossy, big deal in republican politics. you probably heard of him because right at that time bossy's group citizen's united had just won a supreme court case. so bossy's stock was trading high and trump is very impressed with that because trump is impressed with status. he brought bossy into his orbit brought him into trump tower to tutor him on politics. one time bossy says to his friend steve bannon, come along i want to introduce you to >> rose: what kind of reaction did both have to each other? >> according to the people i talked to around trump's orbit they immediately clicked. the reason they immediately clicked is bannon like trump is a deal guy. he's someone who knows money and wall street but he's also somebody whose worked in entertainment, cares about it and speaks the lingo. and bannon is the guy full of political ideas. we didn't realize this at the time but trump really was getting serious about running for president. not just to goose the ratings of the apprentice but he really wanted to be presiden

here's some advice that former trump deputy campaign manager, dave bossy, he of citizens united. this advice to the president's lawyers. take a listen. >> this drip, drip, drip thing is just not working. and we need to have a group of people, a core group, that come up and understand what everything is and put it all out there for better or worse, so that it's over. >> he's not alone in that, matt. but you've been in rooms where there has been strategizing, all be it something very different than what the trump team is facing. but what would that look like? how would they do that? >> well, i mean, i think what david bossy is referring to is what is the typical crisis, communications playbook, which is to take everything there is and get it all out. but that playbook only works when everything you can get out is survivable. if the underlying facts are fatal, then what you see is -- then what most people do is not try to get it out because they can't survive if everything does come out. what you have seen from this white house is shifting series of denials, of changing statements.

what is your role with dave bossy there. are getting out there and asking lawmakers to come onboard. what are you up to? >> what i want to do and very adamant about this, i want to support the president's agenda from the outside. i may or dave may have a relationship with someone on capitol hill so we can get that agenda done, then we'll try to exercise that. it is the right thing. >> little unusual for outside advisors to go to lawmakers here. did someone ask you to do this? >> people don't need to ask me. what they know is that i'm a steadfast supporter and if there's an individual that maybe i or dave has a personal relationship with over the years and a stumbling block to get his agenda done and we can talk and help bridge that compromise, great. he is the greatest closer. i think if john mccain and god wish him well and his health issues. if he can come back to the u.s. senate this week y think the president is going to put together those 50 votes and the repeal vote done and we're going to see repeal of obamacare done,

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then he connects with people like david bossy, dave bannon, steven miller in the white house and suddenly immigration. that more than any other issue i think is what carried into nomination. >> yeah. i think it carried him to the nomination. i think it's what continues to carry him toward and why he still has support from a lot of people. thank you so much, josh. "devil's bargain" looked like a great book. steve rattner, willie and i have been trying to get jobs at goldman sachs for a long time. can you give us a good word? >> i know some people there. i'll give you a helping hand. >> what are you kind of thinking you'd want to do? >> i don't care. i'm kind of open. whatever they need. default swaps. >> still ahead on "morning joe," after putting iran on notice, the trump administration once again certifies that tehran is living up to their end of the nuclear deal. we'll talk about that. first, we'll get reports from kristen welker at the white house and kasie hunt on capitol hill. kasie is resting her arm after throwing out the first pitch at last night's oriole's game. the good news is

dave aussie. you probably have heard of him because right at that time, bossy's group had just won a supreme court citizens united versus the fcc. his stock was trading at a high and trump was very impressed with that. trump is very impressed with status. trump towering to to tutor him on politics. one day, bossy said i went to the come along and introduced him to donald trump. charlie: what reaction did they have to each other? josh: according to the people i talked to about trump's orbit, they immediately clicked. isy clicked because bannon someone who knows money and wall street, but also somebody who has worked in entertainment, cares about it, and speak the lingo. that is full of political ideas. trump really was getting serious about running for president. the ratings ofst the apprentice, but he really wanted to be president. charlie: was he looking for a pass to the presidency? josh: he was. charlie: he was a democrat, a republican, everything. josh: what he wanted to do is get to a position of power. i tell the story of the political career in 1988 when he first started talking about this