a guy named dave bossy, i had made a number of documentary films with dave after the financial crash in 2009, the film was focused on the tea party, and the tea party revolt, and he called me up one day -- i was actually making a film for him and he said do you want to go to new york and meet donald trump? i said, not particularly, i've got so much to do here. i said, why? he said, he's thinking of running for president. i go, are you kidding me? is that serious? he goes, yeah. i said, fine, i'll go up. he says, i'd like you to be able to talk about -- you continue to talk about this populist movement, i'd like you to be prepared to talk about the populist movement, economic nationalism and the tea party movement. i said fine. i prepared notes. dave gave a detailed presentation, i realize it was on the 25th floor conference room. given that president trump is not a guy that likes to sit through long meetings, i mean, it took a long time. i think dave and i were there a couple of hours, at least. dave went through a very detailed presentation of how you think about running forth, how

dave bossi and others in the him to thesevite gatherings. think the first one was maybe 2011 at cpac. breitbart at the time, i was also doing a radio show in los angeles. i started watching him. politicians, i see i sit in the back or the side to watch the crowd. most of the time, i have heard speeches before. i noticed something on trump. he did not speak like a politician. he talked in a vernacular that people could relate to. i noticed people would lean into his speeches. i've seen that on sarah palin. they have a connection. they have a visceral connection with working-class people. they have a visceral connection with the working class that goes beyond politics. charlie: in fact, you called him the best over it or since william jennings bryan -- a tor you have seen since william jennings bryan. steve: i don't have attention to the guys on tv because they have fallen -- i came out of business school, one of the failings was the proctor and gamble marketing. likemarketed candidates products. you can't say certain words. it gets so dry tha