imam is here with me in washington, father dave brier is in new york. tonight on the programme we have been focussing on the church in decline, the latest numbers on religious affiliation in america shows a rapid departure. before the break you talked about the difference between belief and practice. tell media you brought that up? >> i brought that up, because the question is are people leaving the church because of their institution or their values or because they are tired of what is taught in the church, or even in the mosque. i do see some decline. i see young men and women running away from institutions not because they are tired of being labelled, but tired of what has been breached. we were talking to young college students. each told me i'm tired of excusivity breached in church and in mosque. they want an imam, a priest, a rabbi. that tells them that they are the citizens of the world. they wand a message that cares for women, the environment. in other words, some in our communities is irrelevant to young men and women, and i say either we bec