and dave calhoun has not gone as fast and i think he could take a lesson from larry and speed up the help boeing in the long run. jack: if boeing gets it right what do you think the upside looks like? >> i said 325 up abide 25%. there's a number of ways to get there but european rival is up about 15% from the all-time high boeing very roughly down 50% from the all-time high, better execution and more confidence from investors and you close that gap. >> i have a question about dave calhoun bowen ceo he spent many years before going to nielsen he's been on the board of boeing since 2009 he's been the ceo since january 2020. tell me a bit about his management style. >> i think as a straight shooter, maybe even too much of a straight shooter depending on your opinion into you talk to, he rebuffed ideas about rebanding and some people took exception to that. it is been a rocky start i would say and i think he's done a good job and gets good marks for managing through an incredible crisis which is covid, he managed ge aircraft engines the franchise through 9/11 so he's no stranger to crisi

. >> i have a question about dave calhoun bowen ceo he spent many years before going to nielsen he's the board of boeing since 2009 he's been the ceo since january 2020. tell me a bit about his management style. >> i think as a straight shooter, maybe even too much of a straight shooter depending on your opinion into you talk to, he rebuffed ideas about that. it is been a rocky start i would say and i think he's done a good job and gets good marks for managing through an incredible crisis which is covid, he managed ge aircraft engines the franchise through 9/11 so he's no stranger to crisis and what you have to do to keep things on the rails to mixed travel metaphors. but now it's time to think about the future and get out of crisis mode. jack: carlton. >> to rebranding the 737 would be silly what's in the broader take even consumers they can pay attention to their airline tickets during the whole time. >> it is true i think the max, dave calhoun has said as much and what are the reasons he said he wouldn't change the name he wasn't going to market his way out of the problem is proba