dave chapelle i spoke to, there's a long chapter about dave chapelle. he was a previous interview, so i don't count him among the 105, but i did get to talk with him, and there's a long chapter in the book about chapelle's show because chapelle's show really gets an active definition of post-blackness. you see in that show the complexity of what it means to be black now as opposed to something like "grey's anatomy" which gives you a vision of post-racialism, right? which does not exist in the real world, but in art it does exist. i see a world where there's blacks, whites, latinos, latinas, asian, and you can just switch all those people around on "grey's anatomy" and it wouldn't matter, it wouldn't change the plot, it wouldn't change the characters really. in chapelle's show you're dealing with the complexity, the layers, the nuances of what it means to be black. that's why i had to spend a whole chapter on that. i talked to all the major creative players behind the show. really deep show. >> host: chris tweets in to you, what's one thing that didn't ma

dave: thanks. it was the source of comfort for soldiers at an army base in afghanistan. a reminder of their faith. but an army chapeldan is the director of policy and international operations with the american center for law and justice and master sergeant kathleen johnson is vice president and military director for the group, american atheists. they join us for a fair and balanced debate. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> dave: jordan, let me start with you. it is very clear that the army chaplain manual prohibits permanent displays of religious symbols, but some say this is an attack on christianity. what do you believe? >> jay. you saw this was up for a month. when did they decide to take it down? right around thanksgiving. we see another cross under attack at camp pendleton, a statue of jesus in montana under attack that's been there for 60 years, put there by veterans of world war ii 60 years ago. they're all coming under attack because of groups like american atheists who are finding one person to complain and so the cross comes down for the majority of the military who happen to be christian. y