and dave gosar joins me now. mr.issues. but let's talk about your brother. i played a little bit of the ad that several of your siblings participated in endorsing his opponent for congress. your brother in your view, is he a racist? >> well, joy, let me answer it this way. first off, let me say i wish the media would start -- stop using the words white nationalists. white nationalist is just a softer way of saying white supremacist. these people are white supremacists. okay? you don't get to say you're not a racist when you're cohorting with racists, when you're amplifying their message, when you're encouraing them, when you're refusing to renounce them. you don't get to saw i'm not a racist. you don't get to say i'm not a racist when you're an outright birther and, you know, you've engaged in activities and statements throughout your tenure in congress that are clearly associating yourself with racists. so -- >> and did he display these kind of white supremacist ideas just at home growing up? is it something you wer