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. >> well, back with us caroline health man, dave jacobson and thomas. >> also austin james and peterews. dave, first to you, we've gone from mexico's going to pay for the wall to we'll shut down the government and make congress pay for wall. >> that, which is crazy right. we're going to shut down the government, think about that for a second. the republicans control government, like right, i don't understand the calculus. how does that help him move the ball forward? you got no dialogue with mitch mcconnell, you got essentiterri relationship with paul ryan. he's not going to get everything done if he continues to throw out the threats. >> the president's saying he's willing to shut down the government for republicans and congress you're thinking what? >> i don't know anyone's reaching across the aisle to help at this moment. i will say this i don't necessarily know it's a bad thing. he said trying to say if nothing gets done it's not me it's them. i don't know if that's not a bad thing. this will all play out. >> peter, do you think it's a bad thing shutting down the government? how

. >> joining us now dave jacobson and john thomas. good to see you both. john, let's start with you. so here we go, the father knows best defense. but you know, i use to watch "father knows best." why you should release your tax returns, in this case did donald trump teach junior how to shade the truth? >> trump and all the trump family they run their real estate development company, it was a family operation, it's clear it was one brain, i'm not surprised. in fact, the earlier explanations earlier july the president was involved in crafting a statement seems strange to me, especially since the president likes to control the message from his top down. >> that's the only thing that seemed strange to you? >> this revelation, the only thing that seems damaging is that they changed their story. i don't think the fact that donald trump was involved in crafting the message with his son is a big deal. >> just so ask you, john, the white house saying there's nothing to see here, is that in itself damning? >> it's totally disingenuous to what his lawyer said. it's