let's get more from dave keating. dave, are we expect thing a detailed position from today's meeting? it sounds like we are just getting the contours of a decision. what i am hearing is they have agreed in principle to an extension. an extension will happen here they have almost that. their aspiration is to not have to hold a summit next week at the european council to discuss that. they can do it by written procedure. anywe are not expecting indication today of how long that extension should be. most eu member states think the three-month extension asked for in the request boris johnson sent is appropriate's, but -- we may some others end up with a date of november 15, which would be automatically , 2020ed until january 21 if there is no agreement at that time. but do not expect an agreement on a decision until monday or tuesday. that is because they want to wait and see if the british parliament will hold an election. holdut the commitmtment to an election, france and other countries are really holding firm on this.