. >> left off we were talking about at what point during that interview in the car with dave owen that you decided to start lying about the murders of your wife and son. i'm going to pick up this video real quick, not going to play the whole thing, but start from two minutes and nine seconds. [inaudible] >> like what i came back here, i mean, i pulled up and i could see 'em and you know, i knew something was bad, i ran out, i knew it was really bad and my boy over there, i could see it was -- and i could see his brain -- and i ran over to maggie and actually i think i tried to turn paul over first, you know, i tried to turn him over and i don't know, i figured it out -- his cell phone popped out of his pocket, i started to try to do something with it, thinking maybe but then i put it back down really quickly, then i went to my wife and i mean i could see -- >> did you touch maggie at all? >> i did, touched them both. i tried to take -- i tried to do it as limited as possible but i tried to take their pulse on both of 'em. and you know, i called 911 pretty much right away, and she was v

>> was that the moment you decided to lie to mean old dave owen?know, as i told you, the exact moment i decided to lie. but at that point in time -- >> you did lie there, obviously. >> i did. >> and she's very good about answering the phone, so that was odd, or calling me back. that was odd but it wasn't that big of a deal. >> we go to the second interview, previously admitted. >> let me ask this before we started. you say that earlier during your direct testimony that after these crimes happened you were around family, family was around you. your law partners were around you, pretty much every minute after that, correct? every waking minute? didn't you say that yesterday? >> yes, they were for a long time. >> and this second interview was three days later, is that right? >> that's correct. >> and at no time was any of your close friends and law partners and family do you confess the truth, do you? >> no, i do not. >> do you say, hey, man, i think i messed up, what should i do about this? >> no, i didn't. >> you're not telling that lie to anyone, a

>> i'm asking you, is that one of the things that you talked about in your first interview with dave owen? you pulled out your phone and started looking at it, that you brought that up? do you recall that? >> that's not what you asked me. you asked if that's the first thing. i don't dispute mr. owen and i talked about phone calls. but that's not what you said. to be clear. >> the real reason, mr. murdaugh, is that you as a lawyer and prosecutor are up at 9:02, having your phone in your hand, moving around and making all these phone calls to manufacture an alibialibi. >> that's incorrect. >> that's just another circumstance and coincidence in this particular case? right around the time that you lied to law enforcement about maybe one of the most important facts in the case? >> objection. >> it is a fact that i am notal say. >> how do you remember so much detail about everything else but you don't remember what you were doing to generate 283 steps while you are making these phone calls in the same four-minute period? >> i remember without any doubt with as clear a mind as i could have at an

. >> you don't know if dave owen was at sled ten years ago. >> no.cked on that because that night the officer who was involved in that case in bringing clearly manufactured charges against greg alexander -- >> you're saying the night before you sat down for this interview you were asking somebody about whether or not, about greg alexander ten years ago in the wake of what had occurred? >> oh, no. i didn't ask anybody. >> so that wasn't what you were discussing when you were sitting in this car. >> no i wasn't discussing that. i'm just telling you that i thought david owen was the same agent that was involved in that case. now i learned later because i checked on it, i learned later that it was a different david sled agent, first name david with a different last name. i learned that later. i'm just saying that was all part of that process going on in my mind. >> you're saying you're sitting right here thinking this dave owen and the circumstances and demeanor of this interview, you're thinking that guy had been involved in the prosecution or investiga

a matter of seconds and i decided to lie. >> those are the clothes that you ultimately gave for dave owen, is that right? >>he clothes that i gave to david owen. >> what point did you chuck the pills in your pocket? whether wh >> when i was in the bedroom. >> where? >> ultimately they would have gone in my suitcase. >> do you have a specific recollection of that? >> no, i don't. i know know that i took them out of my pocket. >> if we watch the whole video, d do you think you could say that is the moment where my senses came to me and i was going to tell this major lie? >> i don't know that it happened like that. i may be able to tell you some things that contributed to it if we watched the whole thing. >> we've heard that. >> but to be clear, at least at some point during this interview when you were able to plan your lie about this event. and you made that decision. and it wasn't what we just played. it was at some point after that. >> i don't think that is a lie right there. that is the reason why i don't think that it occurred before this because what i'm saying there -- >> and you're

you needed to have a lawyer before you talked to police, the factor that you got in the car with dave owen and was somebody else from a case ten years ago, is that correct? >> believing david owen was the person involved in the case is one of the factors that caused me to distrust sled. >> and they asked about your first relationship with maggie and paul. >> that is something that contributed me to having paranoid thinking. [inaudible] >> they are dead, aren't they? >> yes, sir, that's what it looks like. >> the police are here now. the police are here now. that's my brother. >> okay. >> when was the last time you were here with them? or talked to them or anything like that? >> it was earlier tonight. i don't know the exact time. >> okay. i was probably gone 1 1/2 hours to my moms and i saw them 45 minutes before that. >> that was sergeant green, correct? >> yes, that was sergeant green. >> at that point in time sled was not there. no one had gotten gsr from you. your law partners, sheriff hill were not there. >> that's correct. >> no one had asked you about your relationships. david owen