challenges across the nation i'm been one now to get some more election insight we go live now to dave perkins radio host and political analyst dave thank you very much for coming on the program so we've just seen a joe biden and kemal a harris give a triumphant address to their supporters do you think it's time for president trump to throw in the towel. not at all there is an enormous amount of circumstantial evidence of self evident mathematical mere impossibilities and of course no matter how much the media talks like it's a fait accompli it is necessary for secretaries of state in each state as your reporter said to sign off and certify this election and i would imagine there are quite a few of them who are very nervous about officially attaching their name to something that turns out to be it's overturned in court not too long from now and i have a strong feeling that some of the will be i don't want to go down to the list of individual evidences but i do want to point out there are teams of lawyers in every state with question marks on them and their purpose is to put together their part