dave shackleford, start, with fill us in a little bit more. what is the flame? how do you describe it and what does it do? >> so the flame is actually a fairly sophisticated piece of malwear. there's been a lot of discussion in the internet security community around this in the last few days, and quite a few research organizations have done a fairly thorough type of disassembly of this piece of code. and it looks to be fairly sophisticated. again, it's got a lot of capabilities. it's able to look for specific data types. it's able to look for new systems that are vulnerable within organizations' networks. it's able to exfill trait that data in a number of different ways. again, it's fairly large, so that's a little bit unusual. it's pretty big for one of these very sophisticate piece of malware these days but it looks to have a lot of capabilities. >> brown: catherine lotrionte, it's more about collecting information than destroying things, right. so watching skype, listening in on telephones, things like that? >> it is a clandestine intelligence collection tool