ask her david and our politics people — ask her david and our politics people her david.er— passionate, friend and his beliefs but never anything less than respectful for those who thought differently. those are the values he brought _ differently. those are the values he brought to — differently. those are the values he brought to a lifetime of public service — brought to a lifetime of public service. there can be few among us more _ service. there can be few among us more justified than him in his deep faith in_ more justified than him in his deep faith in the — more justified than him in his deep faith in the resurrection and the life to _ faith in the resurrection and the life to come. and while his death ieaves _ life to come. and while his death leaves a — life to come. and while his death leaves a vacuum that will not and can never— leaves a vacuum that will not and can never be filled, we will cherish his memory, we will celebrate his legacv_ his memory, we will celebrate his legacy and — his memory, we will celebrate his legacy and we will never allow those who c

david. after retirement thousand ten, michael jordan private industry is a chief executive officer of the building information technology company headquartered in his hometown of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. in october 2017, he published his first book inside camp david the private world of the presidential retreat. mike travels often speaking about the book has been covered by the wall street journal, the today show c-span and many other print radio television outlets. after our conversation, mike will be taking questions from our live audience. please be your questions for mike and the chat we will get to as many as possible welcome to white house history live mike. >> wonderful to be here. it's an honor to serve the nation. [inaudible] >> only start from the beginning, your story with camp david. tell us about how you were selected as commander of camp david, what that process was likely. >> camp david is actually a navy command naval support facility and a town nearby. the navy has operated

camp david? was there an executive order, was it legislation? or did he just have someone go out with lumber and paint and redo the signs? >> i like the second explanation best. but i don't know. i imagine there must have been something signed to change the name from the shangri-la moniker to camp david. we'll have to check the archives together, colleen. >> right. karen asks, when a president chooses not to visit camp david very often, how does that change staffing and operations? >> staffing operations don't change. you're always ready, your mission is to be always ready to receive. some presidents let camp david be used by guests. president carter visited with his whole family during president clinton's term. some presidents have allowed staff to use it. but if no one's there, you're just maintaining the place and taking care of it. that can be a morale issue. if no one visits, i had a gap of five months before a visit by president clinton. that's a lot of time, you get rusty, you have to prac

david well it's— that i first got to know sir david well it's a _ that i first got to know sir davidlic but even in a hallowed walls of the vatican sir david did not lose his mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time _ mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time 7 — mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time ? mischievous. mysterious sense of humour. i think ofa time ? mischievous. i mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time ? mischievous. i think for that realisation of newman which is already— that realisation of newman which is already been referred to and we attended a highbrow theological seminar— attended a highbrow theological seminar midway through david whispered to me "isn't this fabulous, i can see your loving it. to which— fabulous, i can see your loving it. to which i— fabulous, i can see your loving it. to which i replied "not really, david — to which i replied "not really, david l'm _ to which i replied "not really, david i'm not really understanding it. david i'm not really understanding it and _ david i'm not really understanding it and it — david i'm no

david: four grandchildren.at do you do for rest and relaxation, spend time with your children and grandchildren? phebe: that is joyful, but i would not call it restful or relaxing. three toddlers and one newborn is hardly relaxing. [laughs] but my husband and i walk a lot, hike a lot, and we talk a lot. he is finishing his doctorate at princeton theological seminary in ethics, so i find those kinds of conversations really stimulating and interesting. they are a respite for me, but they are also a lot of mental gymnastics to try to keep up. david: other people have said it seems, to congress, it would seem having a spouse getting a degree from seminary is very spiritual, presumably, and you are in the aerospace defense business. does anyone say that seems unusual? phebe: i think it is unusual, but when you are in leadership positions, it is important to look at all of your decisions through a moral prism, irrespective of the industry that you are in, and to make sure that you are doing the right thing and consta

david: did you study aerospace defense? phebe: [laughs] no. david: what did you study?was a government major and philosophy minor. i got a superb liberal arts background and education. so i learned to write and think in college, two critical values. david: most people that graduate from smith probably do not wind up in the cia, would be my guess. phebe: most yeah. david: when you were interviewing for jobs at the end of your college career, did you tell people, i want to be in the cia? how did you happen to get in the cia? phebe: i had a sense of service to my nation, and it seemed a good place for me. so much in life, as you and i have talked about before, is finding place. and the agency was opening its doors to women, so it was a good opportunity for me. and i really enjoyed the service i was able to provide. david: how long were you in the cia? phebe: about four or five years. david: were you a cia agent, a spy, undercover, or you cannot say even today? phebe: so, we were what were called case officers. you might in the common parlance think about those as spies. da

god bless you, david. david was a man of— peace. god bless you, david.james, he favourite icebreaker was meetjames, he is my neighbour, he has recently got out of prison. he would hold the audience with his anecdotes and stories and i would like to share the story of the boiled sweet. david was a regular visitor to the vatican, given his faith, and in the receiving line, perhaps absentmindedly being used these things, people getting items bless, david, having a sore throat, reached into his pocket for a boiled sweet. david got his timing wrong. the pope took the sweet thinking it was a revered object to be blessed. he blessed the revered object and david had to put it in his pocket. a holy suite. and when debut tell the anecdotes, as he would do many a time, are you have all heard it, he would reach into his pocket and say, this was the suite that was lest! i expect there have been many sweets passed off as the holy suite, but there can only be one chosen one. as a member of parliament for southend city, thank you, prime minister, it means a loss to ever

david. he served as commander there during the presidency of bill clinton and george w. bush and as the author of "inside camp david", the private world of the presidentialme retreat. >> hello and welcome to another episode of white house history live.le my name is dr. colleen show gun and i'm from the white house historical association and director of the david rubenstein center for white house history. the white house o historical association is a nonprofit, ri nonpartisan organization with a mission to educate americans about the rich and diverse history of the white house and thee people who lived and worke there. our guest this evening is michael giorgione. mike is a f retired rear admira from the navy civil engineer corp. he servedld in a variety of assignments around the world and in his 29-year military career including asg commander of camp david. after military retirement in 2010, mike hashi worked in prive industry, and now is the chief executive officer of af buildin information

camp david? is there cars, or is there golf carts or bikes? >> yes, it's principally golf cart. everybody is assigned a golf cart. we have golf cart one. he have to have our nomenclature as well. bicycles are available, and then pedestrian. we do have cross-country trails through the woods in the winter months, if you want to do that. snowmobiling, you saw the picture of president ford and his family during his presidency. principally golf carts to get around and walk. >> just a reminder to everyone, we are going to be taking questions at the end of our conversation. so if you do have questions for mike about camp david, its history, what it's like, please put them in the chat and we'll get to as many as possible. let's talk a little bit about the history of camp david and the historic events that have taken place for camp david. you talk about some of these episodes for them and why presidents might choose camp david for the setting of these historic occurrences. >> i'll mention four events and

david: for it? ok.olin: it's the only conflict i have ever been in or ever read history about where i could say to the president of the united states there is no question about the outcome. the iraqis had made several horrible mistakes. they put their line of soldiers right on the border with saudi arabia, and they were stuck. they could not move. airpower would not let them move. and then they had four divisions along the coast. and they were very light. all we had to do was fix these two forces in place and go around them, the left hook, and that is what we did. but to my surprise the night we launched the ground attack after the air attacks for several weeks, and i was expecting that the marines, who were right opposite the iraqis, were told, and i told them, attack, but don't get decisively engaged. i don't want to lose a bunch of marines. i just want you to freeze the iraqis in place. same thing on the coast. amphibious operations, but you're not going onshore. just freeze them. because we are goin

i'm david westin.contributor larry summers on tapering, growth rates, as well as monetary stimulus. larry: we will have a difficult inflationary dynamic. david: former hp ceo carly fiorina on reining in tech giants. and getting supply and demand back in the line.

♪ david: this is my kitchen table and my filing system.ver much of the past three decades, i have been an investor. at highest calling of mankind is private equity. then i started interviewing. i have learned from my interviews how leaders make it to the top. i asked him how much he wanted. i said to 50. i did no due diligence. i have something i would like to say. you don't feel inadequate because being the south a us -- second wealthiest man in the world, is that right? in january 2013, she became the ceo of general dynamics. its stock is up by more than 180% since. i sat down with her and saw -- talked to her about the future of the industry. when you became the ceo of aerodynamics in 2013, there were not many women who were aerospace executives. did you think when you joined the company in 2001 you would rise to be ceo? guest: i never thought i would be the ceo. that would be highly aspirational. i have always been a big believer that you do well in the life by doing the job in front of you, being part of the solution, but i never coul

my prayers are with sir david and his family— prayers are with sir david and his family at— prayers arevid and his family at this incredibly difficult time _ family at this incredibly difficult time i— family at this incredibly difficult time. i know from personal experience the passion with which he stood _ experience the passion with which he stood up _ experience the passion with which he stood up for— experience the passion with which he stood up for and represented this community. he had a big heart, and i also want _ community. he had a big heart, and i also want to— community. he had a big heart, and i also want to acknowledge the officers — also want to acknowledge the officers who attended the event for their bravery and courage. it is vital— their bravery and courage. it is vital that— their bravery and courage. it is vital that we give the police all our support to ensure that they can do their— our support to ensure that they can do theiriob — our support to ensure that they can do theirjob at this time. for anybody— do theirjob at this time. for anybody who has information

and is the sir david. :, , , david. 0k, a very fitting tribute.avid. 0k, a very fitting tribute. tony cox a friend of sir- david. 0k, a very fitting tribute. tony cox a friend of sir david i tony cox a friend of sir david amess, thank you for speaking to us. we are here in lee on sea as the community comes to —— leigh—on—sea the day after sir david amess was taken in such a shocking manner. our coverage continues on bbc news. thank you for watching. so we continue our coverage here on bbc news and we can hear one more of the tributes from the home secretary made a short while ago. priti patel. we are all struggling to come to terms with the fact that david amess has been so cruelly taken from us, less than 2a hours ago, david was in his own constituency, doing a local advice surgery, that is something all mps do week in, week out. of course david, as i knew him and as we knew him, was a passionate champion for southend and with that of course he was a man of the people. he was there for everyone. he was a much—loved parliamentarian. to me, he was

david: how they stay there.ou don't feel inadequate being only the second wealthiest men in the world, is that right? in january 2013, phoebe novakovic became a ceo. i had a chance to sit down with her and talk to her about the future of the aerospace defense industry. when you became the ceo company in 2013, there were not that many women who were aerospace defense executives. did you ever think you could rise up to be the ceo? phoebe: i never thought i would be the ceo. that would be highly aspirational and i have always been a big believer in you do well in life by doing the job in front of you, very well, being part of a team and serving that team. but i never could have believed this would happen. david: do you get tired of people at like me asking what it's like being a woman in a defense company? do you get asked that a lot? phoebe: i think some. i approach this job primarily as a person, largely formed by being a woman but not exclusively, so i think about myself as a person and in this position, not so

david's death. this is absolute shock- we _ david's death. this is absolute shock.is absolute shock. we are all in shock. - david's death. this is absolute i shock. we are all in shock. david was a friend of everybody. whatever your divide was, he was friendly will stop he was a politician that served his constituents. he was so well loved. his family, his friends, everybody thought the best of him, and he's been taken away from us. i never, ever thought we would be in this position again. tragically, jo cox... he loved being an mp, david love serving the people he represented. the fact is david has been killed, he's killed because people don't value the job that mps do. and i've got to say that everybody will be thinking one thing — david has been taken, much love, much respected, and it's a tragic loss to the house. as i said, all of our thoughts are with his family and friends. �* our thoughts are with his family and friends. . . . , ., . , ., friends. and the circumstances are 'ust friends. and the circumstances are just horrendous, _ friends. and the circumstan

david. the private world of the president. >> welcome to another episode of white house revived. i'm a senior vice president at the white house historical association and the science center for white house history. he served in every riding of assignments around the world in a military career. including a commander of camp david he has worked in private industries, the chief executive officer of the technology company. headquarters of pittsburgh. republish's first back, inside camp david. it travels often speaking about the book. he has been on npr, c-span and many other radio-television elements. after a conversation my will be taking questions from our live audience. please use the mic in the chat, we'll get to as many as possible in the program. >> thank you colleen, wonderful to be here. i appreciate the time you talk. >> but we start from the beginning. tell us how you were selected and with this thought process was. >> well, it is actually a navy command nearby. i was operated and main

absolute shock. to sir david's killing. absolute shock- we _ to sir david's killing. political divide was david was friendly, he was a politician. that served his constituency. he was so well loved and of course our thoughts are with him, his family. the fact is his friends, everybody thought the best of david. and he has been taken away from us. i never, ever thought it would be in this position again. tragicallyjo cox blustar left, now david. he loved being an mp and representing the people. the fact is he has been killed because people don't value the job that he is doing. killed because people don't value thejob that he is doing. i have to say that everybody will be thinking about him. david has been taken from about him. david has been taken from a much respected and is a tragic loss to the house. as i say, all of our thoughts are with his family and friends. : , :, ,, ,._ friends. attribute from sir lindsay ho le. most of us have had a fine and sunny day. felt cooler and fresher but there has been lots of sunshine to go around. notice how things looked earlier i

[laughs] david: ok.esident of united states called you and said, you were running a gigantic company and i've done a great job. i need some more women leaders in government. why did you come be secretary of something important? what would you say? julie: i would say, i am honored to be asked but i have really important work to do in the private sector. david: you wouldn't go right now ? julie: that is not my current aspiration. david: somebody who is watching this would say, this person has an incredible professional life. rose up to be partner at cravath and other ceo of this gigantic company. can you cite something that did not work out or your professional life so people can feel you are not just a superhuman and make people feel good they can see some but he made a mistake? do you have mistakes you made or failures you can talk about? julie: you know, people ask that question is if the only challenges at work. and for me, work has been a great place. i have had a lot of success and i don't have a spe

david: david, thank you very much. are now leaving the work force. amazon's offering bonuses to lure u.k. workers ahead of the holiday season. employ c. president rob wilson joins us now. how long is this going to last? >> we see the next several months. it's been -- you had 11 million job openings in august, 10 million in september, and you had 4.3 million people quit their jobs in september. david: well, we can't subsidize people to stay at home forever. we're already seeing the result in form of inflation. so it -- we just can't pay the bill for them anymore. >> right. exactly. and, you know, are people quitting for a number of reasons? they're not eligible for unemployment, but it's food assistance, they're getting checks from the government if you've got kids, if you make under x thousand dollars a year or are they just used to wearing from home or vax mandates. there's a lot of reasons out there, but it's time to get people back to work. david: and what -- amazon, of course, can afford to pay workers a lot more t

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hi, david. >> reporter: hi, david, good morning to you.you mentioned, big race in virginia just south of me. we're getting down really to the final days, down to the wire of that gubernatorial campaign. and president biden and his team at the white house, they are eager, eager, eager to go ahead and help terry healthcare all live -- terry mcif all live as much as they want. terry mcauliffe is eager to have president biden campaign with him coming up on tuesday, however, he has said publicly there are some headwinds in washington, as you would call it, talking about president biden's polling. i want to show you those numbers. i'm looking at them right here, this is a gallup poll, looking at the latest, 46% approving of the president's performance, 53% disapproving in september 2021, that was at 50% approval with a 49 36r9 disapproval. let's now look at the job approval among independents, now at 34%. in january that was at 61%. now, two months ago, as you mentioned, this was terry mcauliffe's race. he was ahead in the polls, the latest monm

david: this is my kitchen table and also my filing system. over much of the past three decades, i have been an investor. the highest calling of mankind, have often thought was private equity, and then i started interviewing. i watch your interviews. i know how to do some interviews. i have learned in doing my interviews how leaders make it to the top. >> i asked him how much he wanted. he said 250. i said, fine. i didn't negotiate with him. and i did no due diligence. david: i have something i would like to sell you. and how they stay there. you don't feel inadequate now that you are only the second wealthiest man in the world, right? [laughter] the most senior person in the u.s. military is always the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. the 20th person to hold that title is general mark milley. he was appointed by president trump and continues to serve under president biden. i had a chance recently to sit down with him at the national archives and ask him about a range of civilian and military issues the chairman faces. this is where our

[laughter] david: ok. justice breyer: einstein was right. [laughter] david: einstein was right.id you don't want to die on the court and nobody would want you to. [laughter] justice breyer: einstein is coming back. [laughter] david: what would you like to do after you are off the court? would you like to teach again? would you like to write? would you like to take life easy? what would you like to do? justice breyer: it's hard to take life easy. we will see. david: you have not thought about what you would like to do? justice breyer: eh, it goes through my mind. david: president biden has put together a commission to look at the court and you have articulated your view that you do not think expanding the size of the court is a wonderful idea. justice breyer: what i said is they better be careful about that because to complain that game. what is worrying me -- and i tried to explain in the book the extent to which politics is relevant or not relevant or present or not present and in what form -- and what worries me is people will think we are junior league politicians. and if the

david: all right.the resident of the united states because you and says you're running a dynamic -- gigantic company, i need more leaders in my government, why don't you come and be secretary of something important? what would you say? julie: i would say that i am honored to be asked to but i am really -- haven't really -- i have really important things to do in the private sector. david: you would not go in now? julie: that is not my aspiration at the moment. david: can you cite something that did not work out in your professional life so that people can feel you are not just a superhuman and make people feel good that they can see that somebody made a mistake. do you have any mistakes or failures you can talk about? julie: people asked that question as if the only challenge is at work. for me, work has been a great place. i have had a lot of success and i don't have any spectacular failure but in my own personal life, my father died when he was 68. i had breast cancer, we had drug addiction in our fa

david _ you discussed? we discussed it a great deal. david was _ you discussed?l. david was involved i you discussed? we discussed it a great deal. david was involved atj great deal. david was involved at the time when i was crossing from being an anglican to being a catholic. we were united in many of the great moral campaigns in parliament, the pro—life campaign for example, in the late 80s and early 90s. david's faith meant a huge amount to him. his friends will be praying very, very hard for his cell and for his family tonight. hit our cell and for his family tonight. hit your thoughts about his life outside politics. what memories will you carry of him very much as a person can as opposed to an mp? it is can as opposed to an mp? it is difficult to _ can as opposed to an mp? it is difficult to think _ can as opposed to an mp? it is difficult to think of _ can as opposed to an mp? it 3 difficult to think of david outside politics because he was so devoted to politics. he was always one of the last to leave the house of commons at the end of a long day and that

david told me how valuable sir david amess was to the cause.luable, and this was something that he espoused from the time he got elected in 1983 until he died, tragically, today, and he will have a number of legacies that he made, so he piloted the cruel tethering act through to get better protection for the horse well —— welfare in 1988. he talks to me, and that was one of his proudest things. it was very difficult to get a private members bill through, particularly in those days, but he managed it and he chose animal welfare with that. his principles were always heartfelt, but never wavered, as your last guest said, so when he got elected, he was against fox hunting, and for a conservative mp in the 19805, that was a very small club, but he saw it through, he did not mind it, he stuck to his principles and that led to the hunting act in 2005. becky's saw that everybody else caught up with what he wanted. and he was still campaigning on animal welfare issues even now —— because he saw. two weeks ago, i met up with him at the conservative party

david was a — shocked. very shocked and very down. david was a very _ shocked. it didn't matter about your religion or your culture, if you had a problem he would work for you. we if you had a problem he would work for ou. ~ ., if you had a problem he would work for ou. . . , , if you had a problem he would work for ou. t . , , ., if you had a problem he would work for ou. . . , , ., ., for you. we have been seeing a lot of compliments _ for you. we have been seeing a lot of compliments on _ for you. we have been seeing a lot of compliments on social— for you. we have been seeing a lot of compliments on social media, i for you. we have been seeing a lot i of compliments on social media, the former— of compliments on social media, the former party leader, sir iain duncan smith _ former party leader, sir iain duncan smith, saying "we are praying for a full recovery. " smith, saying "we are praying for a full recovery." this was before essex — full recovery." this was before essex police confirmed they arrested a man— essex police confirmed they arrested a man on—

david: so the joint chiefs of -- david: so chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, to me, is one of thereat titles in washington. you are the most important military person. but what does that really mean to be chairman of the joint chiefs of staff? what is your real job? gen. milley: by law, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is an advisor to the president, the secretary of defense, the national security council, and what used to be homeland security council. it is strictly an advisory role. you are not in chain of command. the chain of command is the president to the sec. defense, the commanders, and/or the secretaries of the military departments. the job is strictly advisory. but at the same time, you are in the chain of communication. so routine communications between the president and secretary of defense in the commanders typically goes through the chairman of the joint chiefs. so you are very much involved, but you have no decision authority. you don't make decisions per se. you advise the president and others on their decisions that they will make. david: to be realistic

david? david: but not enough.can there that wants to get here, that's not enough. let's get reaction from the center for national interest senior director. harry, bottom line is if there is one american left, it's still a betrayal of what the president promised, which is that we would not get troops out until we got all americans who wanted to get out out. >> david, this is a disaster. it's a disaster that keeps getting worse by the second. according to the latest figures that are out there, 22 million afghan thinks could begin to starve as early as next month. in the reports that are out there, they use the word food insecurity. that's just a polite way of saying everyday afghans are starving and is looking for food wherever they possibly can. oil and gas is going astronomical, covid is spreading rampant. think about this, joe biden left -- at least in my opinion -- at least over 1,000 americans in the middle of this chaos, and it's chaos that he created. so i don't see how we can't look at this as nothing more t

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david: ok.ident of the united states called you and said, you are running a gigantic company and have a terrific job. i need some women leaders and my government. why don't you be secretary of something important? what would you say? julie: i would say i am honored to be asked but i have really important work to do in the private sector. david: you would not go in right now. julie: that is not my current aspiration. david: somebody who is watching this would say this person has an incredible life, grows up to be a partner, now she is the ceo of this company. can you cite something that did not work out and your professional life so people can feel they are not just a superhuman and made people feel good? you know how many mistakes or failures you can talk about? julie: people asked that question as if the only challenge is at work. for me, work has been a great place. i have had a lot of success and i do not have spectacular failure. in my own personal life, my father died. when he was 68, i hav

david. david: chad, thank you.sis and shows no signs of slowing down as americans face skyrocketing gas prices, empty shelves and rising prices all over the board this holiday season. let's bring in that hill editor-in-chief. good to see you, bob. it was just last summer a couple of months ago when jen psaki was sort of making light of inflation, making jokes in the white house press room about it. look at a pole and what's happening now, a new fox news poll, 87% of voters are very or extremely worried about inflation. did joe biden get the message on that? >> well, i don't think the white house got the message earlier this year. i think there are questions about the fed chief comment jay powell, downplaying inflation. looks like it's here to stay. we see that the grocery store and gas prices are up and it's a real problem when you have a supply chain issue, you have republicans saying the white house could ease regulations regarding covid. you could pass-- the senate passed infrastructure bill and i believe that h

this is what sir david amess recognised.ves against fox hunting, to represent the conservative supporters, the majority of conservative supporters who were against fox hunting. he was very vocal on this and stood his ground and encouraged many conservative mps along with sir roger gale, who also was a very powerful voice against the return of fox hunting, to repeal the return of fox hunting, to repeal the hunting act 2004, and the number of conservative mps increased significantly to a point that if a free vote was called, it could no longer be repealed. but sir david amess and the conservative animal welfare foundation wanted to move away from this toxic issue and focus on positive issues like ending live animal exports for slaughter, ending big—band crates, ending cages for laying hens. in fact, big—band crates, ending cages for laying hens. infact, sir big—band crates, ending cages for laying hens. in fact, sir david amess led a ten minute rule bill only earlier this year in march. he was very passionate about this. also

david: ok.president of the united states call you and said you are running a gigantic company, i need more women leaders in my government, why don't you come in and be secretary of something important, what would you say echo julie: i would say i am honored to be asked but have really important work to do in the private sector. david: so you would not go in right now? julie: but is not my current aspiration. david: someone watching this can say someone has an incredible personal life, rose up and now she is the ceo of this gigantic company. can you cite something that did not work in your professional life so people can feel you are not a superhuman and make people feel good that they can see somebody made a mistake? do you have any mistakes or failures you can talk about? julie: people ask that question as if the only challenge is at work. for me, work has been a great place. i have had a lot of success and i don't have a spectacular failure. but in my own personal life, my father died when he

david: -- as a virtue.id: einstein said trying something again and again expecting a different result is insanity. asking you many times might be the definition of an insane interviewer. i have to ask you the question. what are you thinking about all of the issues relating to your retirement? stephen: yes. einstein was right. [laughter] david: you have said you don't want to die on the court and nobody would want you to. [laughter] stephen: einstein is coming back. david: what would you like to do after you are off the court? would you like to teach, take life easy, what would you like to do? stephen: it's hard to take life easy. we will see. david: you have not thought about it? stephen: it goes through my mind. david: president biden has put together a commission to look at the court and you have articulated that you don't think expanding the court is a wonderful idea. stephen: i said they had better be careful about it because two can play at that game. what is worrying me, i try to explain to people in

he holy see the following year of which david was a part.— holy see the following year of which davidor religious liberty _ david was a part. he also campaigned for religious liberty issues _ for religious liberty issues generally, didn't he? he was very much not a sectarian of person. . no, he was an mp for all his constituencies, he was an mp who was a catholic. so he was there for everybody, and i think what touches me most deeply this evening is the words that or just me most deeply this evening is the words that orjust quoted, when one of his mps was killed, he said, "this could happen any of us." but did he change his way? know he did not, he left himself in the front line to meet his constituents, to be with them knowing the risk. and i think that's why for me, there is a tremendous tragic poignancy that he was actually killed in a place of worship, in a christian church. and you think about the christian faith, it is centred so much on generosity, on self—sacrifice. and that's what he did. and yet also, a christian church is a source of hope that these terrible acts of evil ar