also david adasani, a mortgage broker. where did you find the mortgage broker? >> he was not a mortgage broker. he worked on wall street for a number of firms and he asked me not to mention the various firms, but they would all be extremely familiar to you. some of them no longer existed by the time we went to see him. >> he was marketing these mortgages bundled into bonds and he was selling the securities to other banks. buc>> i worked for four companis on wall street and three of them do not exist anymore. nothing is permanent in life. my grandfather worked for the same company for 25 years. nothing is permanent anymore. these m stock market could go south. it is the way americans live. i don't take any responsibility for this mess at all. >> it really started getting he did in 2004-2005. -- key in 2004-2005 -- heated in 2004-2005. that may be others more valuable. when you have that much cash flow, you can siphon off a whole lot more fees. it is all about money. >> why did she go to him? >> when you try to explain this stuff in a film, you want to take it slo